PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

Only certain gobshites in the media preparing for us to be cleared by spouting shite like were deliberately delaying the verdict ergo were guilty morally and should punished accordingly.

The dye has been cast. Even if we are cleared and sue every fucker who's slandered us into bankruptcy. The most tribal of football fans (red cunts) have decided we've cheated them out of titles and trophies as a coping mechanism for having their arses handed to them on the pitch on numerous occasions.

And I, for one, don't care :)

But then again I don't live amongst these arseholes...... so I do feel your pain.

 

[Gordyola]

I'm sure Ian Cheesman interviewed a Labour MP when the football regulations white paper come out and the MP actually said that the prem league is being ran by the Red cartel.

 

[Dribble]

theres an article floating about this morning saying we should have a 690 point deduction and be relegated, but heres the kicker when we get back in to the prem each time we start on negative 690 points so you start the season already relegated and then work the points off......

MSN

Crazy how much people are desperate for city to be found guilty. It really does show mob mentality is not just in person but is digital too.

Football 365 is a bullshit online publication, which is professionally designed to make it look legitimate.

I actually thought it was quite big outfit by the look of it, but apparently it's little more than a 'one man & his dog' blog, evidently penned by a bitter rival fan.

Nearly every story I read from them was anti-City, so it was placed on my sensationalist ignore list.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

As Stefan has said many times in his interviews and debates, there is no issue with clubs proposing, or voting for rules which will benefit them, that's normal and reflects life in general. What we (meaning all fans of any PL club) should have an issue with are clubs colluding to specifically target any organisation that becomes, or are looking to become more successful. In literally any other industry that is deemed illegal and anti-competitive, yet here we are in 2024 and one of the highest value industries in the world where it is alive and kicking, more so it actual seems to be the normal way of operating for the PL. How the government have not stepped in sooner astounds me, the PL stopped being "just sport" long ago.

Spot-on. The Governnment (and opposition) realise that football has become one of our biggest industries at a time when the UK has very few positive things happening in the economy. I am sceptical that an independent regulator will work in the long run but it may provide leverage to clean up some of the dodgy elements in the way football is governed. My gut feeling is that under the surface the PL is just as unethical as FIFA and UEFA have been found to be.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

The dye has been cast. Even if we are cleared and sue every fucker who's slandered us into bankruptcy. The most tribal of football fans (red cunts) have decided we've cheated them out of titles and trophies as a coping mechanism for having their arses handed to them on the pitch on numerous occasions.

Die I think :) but this is pretty much how I feel too which is why the minutiae matter so little to me — regardless, this will be a stick to beat the club with for generations whatever the outcome. If we’re tripped up it’s not going to change how I feel about the club or the community and nothing’s going to change my view on why the anti-competitive dam was built in the first place; if not, it’s not going to change what those who’ve already decided City have cheated are going to think or say or write because the charges are simply a salve on a deep wound. Is anyone here expecting an apology from anyone if City are cleared? Of course not.

 

[Nickyweaves]

Have we verified the person who wrote that actually has a brain cell?

You think they have a brain cell!???

 

[halfcenturyup]

The salivating social media mop really do think they speak for eveyone - in reality, usually a bunch of box room thickos waitng for mum to shout "tea" - unless of course they're not out threatening paediaticians.

That's right. Stupid people. What did foot doctors ever do to them?

 

[Chi-town blues]

Have we verified the person who wrote that actually has a brain cell?

There are no brain cells inside GMC (genetically modified cunts.)

 

[Phil1]

theres an article floating about this morning saying we should have a 690 point deduction and be relegated, but heres the kicker when we get back in to the prem each time we start on negative 690 points so you start the season already relegated and then work the points off......

Was it floating on the top of the toilet bowl by any chance?..

 

[discopop]

Im sure cas and the pl panel would but to open the books to the sec or whatever audit team the exchange that they have decided to float on suggests a level of confidence that everything is above board although we would have opened them up to silverlake capital who have assets of 101 billion under their control so obviously we are confident anyway.

Quite simply the pl are in unchartered waters and are way out of their depth, masters is like rimmer in red dwarf in that he has managed to find himself running the whole ship when he is nothing more than a chicken soup vending machine repairman and like rimmer hes making an arse of it.

Both are smegheads

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

They didn’t conclude that, that was just a summation of the facts in the conclusion as that was never an allegation put forward by UEFA. It’s the rest of the conclusion that gives their judgment on the allegations, which was that they were not comfortably
satisfied that any disguised equity was used to fund it.

What they said about Etihad was that neither hypothesis could be fully proved.

The language CAS used throughout the documents was strong. They repeatedly stressed the "no evidence" phrase. The whole tone made it clear that they believed what City's witnesses had told them. CAS were quite dismissive of the UEFA claims. At one point they used the phrase "UEFA's theory" for some of their evidence. I felt it was close to describing UEFA's suggestions that City executives had been dishonest on such a large scale almost as a conspiracy theory. I re-read the whole report a few days ago and to be honest when you look at the pathetic state of the UEFA case it makes me even more baffled that the PL decided to carry on with this farce.

 

[mrbelfry]

It’s very much an ex tempore, in vino, statement, but here goes:

“Manchester City have carefully noted recent developments around Premier League financial regulations and share concerns about the length of time it is taking for its innocence to be demonstrated. Whilst the club voted against these regulations before they were implemented, it has complied with them since, which is why it has strenuously denied these allegations throughout this process, and has provided overwhelming evidence to support this. The club has yet to see any evidence that supports these allegations.

Manchester City have been fully cooperating in relation to these charges, and remain confident that the club will be fully exonerated around compliance with its financial obligations to the Premier League.

The club nonetheless supports the principle that the rules that govern finances within the most commercially successful sporting competition on the planet are fair, transparent and sustainable - and welcome the opportunity to work with the rest of the league to achieve that.“

Our charges aren't really the same as Everton's and Forest's and I'm not sure we did vote against some of the regulations. For example some of the Mancini charges are related to not sending his contract to the PL (presumably the allegation is that the one we sent was false otherwise it wouldn't have taken 10 years for them to notice they didn't have it). Did City vote against that regulation?

 

[meltonblue]

The language CAS used throughout the documents was strong. They repeatedly stressed the "no evidence" phrase. The whole tone made it clear that they believed what City's witnesses had told them. CAS were quite dismissive of the UEFA claims. At one point they used the phrase "UEFA's theory" for some of their evidence. I felt it was close to describing UEFA's suggestions that City executives had been dishonest on such a large scale almost as a conspiracy theory. I re-read the whole report a few days ago and to be honest when you look at the pathetic state of the UEFA case it makes me even more baffled that the PL decided to carry on with this farce.

Yes I agree. It’s worth saying they did say that Uefa were right to bring the case and we agreed with that too. Ultimately though, they had no proof outside of the leaked emails and that wasn’t anywhere near enough given what we provided in response.

With the PL, I know there were more leaked emails after CAS but the principle still remains the same. If that’s all they’ve got too, I’d be amazed tbh, although at the same time I really don’t know what else they could have.

 

[Chi-town blues]

I know what you mean but it really doesn't. My advice is to not even argue about the number of charges. Once you get into that discussion, you have fallen into the trap of discussing stupid stuff with stupid people. You will never win.

If people want to argue with you about the 115 charges, just ask them what they think they are.

If the other person happens to be a rag **** than just ask how sinking in debt is sustainable?
That’ll confuse the fuck out of their brain cells and just laugh at their mental gymnastics.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

I know what you mean but it really doesn't. My advice is to not even argue about the number of charges. Once you get into that discussion, you have fallen into the trap of discussing stupid stuff with stupid people. You will never win.

If people want to argue with you about the 115 charges, just ask them what they think they are.

You've made the assumption, I'm arguing our case with some knobhead, when I'm actually explaining to someone who is genuinely interested, what the difference is between the 3 cases.
So when they come back with reasonable questions like 'how many total charges did Everton/ Forest get?' etc, I can provide known facts rather than made up media bullshit, they're used to hearing.

 

[GortonBlue62]

I know what you mean but it really doesn't. My advice is to not even argue about the number of charges. Once you get into that discussion, you have fallen into the trap of discussing stupid stuff with stupid people. You will never win.

If people want to argue with you about the 115 charges, just ask them what they think they are.

The conversations we have with stupid people, in the pub and at work, still need to be 'won'.

It's why the information on threads like this matter.

I'd imagine there are dozens of people like me pushing back against the shite we encounter in the real world, and to a lesser degree online, with information gleaned from the two or three experts on here who know what they are talking about.

 

[The Black Shed]

theres an article floating about this morning saying we should have a 690 point deduction and be relegated, but heres the kicker when we get back in to the prem each time we start on negative 690 points so you start the season already relegated and then work the points off......

MSN

Crazy how much people are desperate for city to be found guilty. It really does show mob mentality is not just in person but is digital too.

Only 690!
Whatever league they decide to put us in, City would still be able to play in the FA Cup, win that and the following year play in the Europa League. Win that and then qualify for the CL the following season. Become champions league winners whilst still in League One!!

 

[halfcenturyup]

You've made the assumption, I'm arguing our case with some knobhead, when I'm actually explaining to someone who is genuinely interested, what the difference is between the 3 cases.
So when they come back with reasonable questions like 'how many total charges did Everton/ Forest get?' etc, I can provide known facts rather than made up media bullshit, they're used to hearing.

Fair enough, then. But my answer would still be that the number of charges isn't important because the cases are so different. If they are generally interested, they need to know what the charges are and how difficult it is going to be to get most of them, the mist serious ones, to stick. The number of charges isn't the right analysis and doesn't help them understand anything. All imho, of course.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Yes I agree. It’s worth saying they did say that Uefa were right to bring the case and we agreed with that too. Ultimately though, they had no proof outside of the leaked emails and that wasn’t anywhere near enough given what we provided in response.

With the PL, I know there were more leaked emails after CAS but the principle still remains the same. If that’s all they’ve got too, I’d be amazed tbh, although at the same time I really don’t know what else they could have.

The PL case looks even weaker when you consider that CAS accepted the emails as admissable evidence but also accepted they provided a "distorted impression" because the so-called leaked emails (published by Der Spiegl) were only selected extracts of emails and one of those emails was actually two emails copied and pasted together. It is also included in the CAS report that the six leaked emails were a tiny part of a cache of 5.5m documents from City which had been illegally hacked. Since the CAS case Pinto the hacker has admitted exortion and hacking charges and is still under investigation for further offences. Given this backdrop surely the PL would be crazy to try and build a case on any of the emails which in any case don't provide any evidence of wrongdoing. Why has the PL seemingly ignored the result of the CAS case?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

If the other person happens to be a rag **** than just ask how sinking in debt is sustainable?
That’ll confuse the fuck out of their brain cells and just laugh at their mental gymnastics.

You can't be a "sustainable" business if you have huge debts and can't or won't pay them back. When United fans talk about organic growth do they really me organic shrinkage?