PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[give it to gordon]

If, and it’s a big if, they were able to pin anything on us.
Would it not go in our favour that any extra money put in was to make us financially stable now. Probably the best run club in world. Not to put the club at risk which was the whole point of FFP.
Meanwhile, the likes of Everton and potentially Forest are still not run very well.
But deducting points could relegate them and a possibility of sending them out of business. The whole reason FFP was supposedly brought in to prevent.
If FFP was to do its job the punishment should be a net spend limit on 1 or more transfer windows. Thus keeping them in business and forcing them to pull in their horns

Are Everton and Forest poorly run ? Genuine question, just because you fail ffp doesnt mean you are a badly run club. It just means you failed the cartel rules.

I would say utd are a badly run club, stadium falling down, a billion in debt but passes pl ffp ever year.

Everton are investing in the future by building a new stadium but failed ffp by (I think) poor transfers and only by 19million.
Utd failed UEFA ffp by 45million but passed the pl ffp.

I dont know enough about Everton and forest but is it right to say they are poorly run by failing ffp ?

I find it odd that all these press/media decision ffp and yet some how never bring utd into it. Surely utds model is not sustainable

 

[waspish]

Are Everton and Forest poorly run ? Genuine question, just because you fail ffp doesnt mean you are a badly run club. It just means you failed the cartel rules.

I would say utd are a badly run club, stadium falling down, a billion in debt but passes pl ffp ever year.

Everton are investing in the future by building a new stadium but failed ffp by (I think) poor transfers and only by 19million.
Utd failed UEFA ffp by 45million but passed the pl ffp.

I dont know enough about Everton and forest but is it right to say they are poorly run by failing ffp ?

I find it odd that all these press/media decision ffp and yet some how never bring utd into it. Surely utds model is not sustainable

Both those owners wanted the best for there clubs as in spending big on players so they can compete for trophies! Now if those owners can take the losses without putting the club in debt and in effect write those losses of ffp PSR or whatever shouldn't be touching those clubs

 

[Goatmeal]

Are Everton and Forest poorly run ? Genuine question, just because you fail ffp doesnt mean you are a badly run club. It just means you failed the cartel rules.

I would say utd are a badly run club, stadium falling down, a billion in debt but passes pl ffp ever year.

Everton are investing in the future by building a new stadium but failed ffp by (I think) poor transfers and only by 19million.
Utd failed UEFA ffp by 45million but passed the pl ffp.

I dont know enough about Everton and forest but is it right to say they are poorly run by failing ffp ?

I find it odd that all these press/media decision ffp and yet some how never bring utd into it. Surely utds model is not sustainable

Maybe my choice of words
In comparison to city maybe

 

[give it to gordon]

Both those owners wanted the best for there clubs as in spending big on players so they can compete for trophies! Now if those owners can take the losses without putting the club in debt and in effect write those losses of ffp PSR or whatever shouldn't be touching those clubs

So these owners can take a hit and self fund it to keep the club going in the right direction. Ffp doesnt allow this.

Ffp is to stop this investment and could put the club out of business. All the time a club with a billion debt can carry on as normal and doesnt have to reduce the debt.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

The club clearly regret the 2014 settlement. They'll fight this to the end. They know they have no choice.

I doubt very much the club regret the 2014 settlement. As Stefan pointed out, the club settled for purely commercial reasons, which is normal practice when the alternative is a messy and protracted process of which the outcome is far from certain. Since that settlement we have never fallen foul of FFP and have won the PL six times, the league cup 5 times, the FA cup twice, the champions league once and the world club cup. Oh, and become the richest club in the world! UEFA questioned our accounts - and lost at CAS. Our present dispute with the PL has not grown out of the settlement of 2014, but has vindicated totally Khaldoon's assertion of 2014 that within a year FFP would be no concern of ours. Of course, City will fight this to the end - the PL's claims are untrue!

 

[Gingers Dad]

Can he explain how being state owned would enable you to circumvent ffp?

We cooked the books apparently

 

[Chi-town blues]

I have a dipper mate who clings to the idea that we're state funded and we outspend them because of it.
The alternative for him is that he has to accept that we've beaten them on the pitch, fair and square.

I’m not entirely convinced we’ve outspend dips over these past few years.
Just like the good old days when they outspent us and beat us on the pitch. Reverse role.

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

If, and it’s a big if, they were able to pin anything on us.
Would it not go in our favour that any extra money put in was to make us financially stable now. Probably the best run club in world. Not to put the club at risk which was the whole point of FFP.
Meanwhile, the likes of Everton and potentially Forest are still not run very well.
But deducting points could relegate them and a possibility of sending them out of business. The whole reason FFP was supposedly brought in to prevent.
If FFP was to do its job the punishment should be a net spend limit on 1 or more transfer windows. Thus keeping them in business and forcing them to pull in their horns

Are Everton and Forest poorly run ? Genuine question, just because you fail ffp doesnt mean you are a badly run club. It just means you failed the cartel rules.

I would say utd are a badly run club, stadium falling down, a billion in debt but passes pl ffp ever year.

Everton are investing in the future by building a new stadium but failed ffp by (I think) poor transfers and only by 19million.
Utd failed UEFA ffp by 45million but passed the pl ffp.

I dont know enough about Everton and forest but is it right to say they are poorly run by failing ffp ?

I find it odd that all these press/media decision ffp and yet some how never bring utd into it. Surely utds model is not sustainable

Both these posts highlight inconsistences in the regulations and they may be relevant in a case questioning whether the rules are consistent with laws governing investment and competition (not in a sporting context, which may be a matter for sporting governing bodies). But the IC's role is simply to decide if PL rules have been broken and, if they have, what sanction is appropriate. So, personally I agree that the rules are illogical and perverse but only the courts can decide.

 

[Scoobz3]

Both these posts highlight inconsistences in the regulations and they may be relevant in a case questioning whether the rules are consistent with laws governing investment and competition (not in a sporting context, which may be a matter for sporting governing bodies). But the IC's role is simply to decide if PL rules have been broken and, if they have, what sanction is appropriate. So, personally I agree that the rules are illogical and perverse but only the courts can decide.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

There's loads of shameful and disgusting stuff that happens in football. The media are the gatekeepers to truth though