PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gorton_Tubster]

Don’t really post or claim to understand the ins and outs of this , but if the independent panel find that City are guilty of fraud over a ten year accounting period , am I correct in thinking that the police will the pursue the individuals responsible ?

All fans too for being complicit. Nick Harris said so.

 

[waspish]

I totally get all that.

I just have this thing whizzing round my head of “why the fuck would the prem go to this extreme” without thinking they have proof?

As stefan said in the Unofficial Partner podcast….

Either way , whoever is the victor, the other is going to have to face pretty catastrophic consequences

You'd be surprised how far American owners will go to when I competition they have history of it! Kill the opposition or ruin them through the media!

 

[waspish]

These accusations from the Premier League have far deeper ramifications than they first thought.
I really don't think they have thought it through.

Americans owners don't give a fuck it's the constant negative narrative they want and new the media who are all red shirt shite arse lickers would keep it going!

 

[wolviedinho]

I totally get all that.

I just have this thing whizzing round my head of “why the fuck would the prem go to this extreme” without thinking they have proof?

As stefan said in the Unofficial Partner podcast….

Either way , whoever is the victor, the other is going to have to face pretty catastrophic consequences

Why would Uefa? 12 times it was stated no evidence of wrongdoing. They had nothing to prove their accusations.

The league doesn't have anything either or we would have already faced the consequences.

You give too much credit to these organisations.

It will blow over, nothing biblical will happen imo. Lot of foaming at the mouth and sour grapes but no more so than what we see now after the uefa case.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Anyone else have a bad feeling about all this? Worried?

Nope

 

[GortonBlue62]

Anyone else have a bad feeling about all this? Worried?

I alternate between supreme confidence that we are innocent and will be completely exhonerated and despair at the thought of being found guilty (unfairly).

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Nothing has changed other than a podcast happened and neither of the people speaking “for” City had comforting words.

I will reserve judgement until I see/hear the evidence upon which the case turns, be it for us or the PL.

I don’t think there’s anyway we avoid the non-cooperation charges, unless there is a substantive and compelling reason (trade secrets, etc…) we would not give data when asked. I believe this is required as part of the agreement with the PL.

No way that is a points deduction, if “proven,” but it’ll cost a few quid. And, that’ll be enough for some to say we were both guilty AND should have had a points deduction.

The rest is far too opaque, and literally unknown, for the layperson to espouse any seriously considered opinion. It is a legal, technical matter and none of us know what evidence the PL think they have and what irrefutable evidence City believe they have.

It has all become ridiculously tiresome, especially having to listen to the no-mark losers who only have an interest in the tribal desire to see pain inflicted upon the Club and the fans.

115 will always be a tag used by opposition fans, no matter the outcome, because it’s a pre-conceived narrative… Either we get done or we paid someone somewhere to get out of the charges. (YAWN)

From here, we wait.

 

[bluemanchester]

This article was posted on a Facebook page called "Super City From Maine Road" and was posted by the Admin of the page. Maybe of interest. Text from the article below.

FFP - A PREMIER LEAGUE OWN GOAL

For the first time in the entire history of the FFP narrative, the focus has shifted (slightly) away from City and other clubs in the financial spotlight, and it’s moving towards “FFP is not working and it’s hindering clubs progress”

So let’s get all this straight…
Premier League clubs voted in favour of FFP rules in early 2013, following the 2009 UEFA review of clubs spending and sustainability (less than a year after City’s takeover)
And now it turns out that the rules don’t just affect the top clubs, but every club no matter where they are in the league, which was fine and dandy… Until the Premier League started docking points for breaking those rules.

Now, we all know that despite these rules being presented as a fluffy, unicorn filled dream where no club will ever need go hungry again, they were brought in to limit mega wealthy club owners such as (at the time) Roman Abramovic and of course; City Football Group.
Meanwhile City have won the absolute lot and Chelsea continue to spend money like it’s going out of fashion but cant win a one ticket raffle, but that’s beside the point for now.

The last transfer window was completely dead, with multiple clubs claiming poverty, that is, relative poverty to FFP.
Arsenal for example couldn’t go in for the players they wanted because they would have passed the FFP threshold in doing so.
Similar was said by other clubs who needed to strengthen but couldn’t despite having the funds to do so.
Then we have the case of Newcastle United… The richest football club in the world, but can’t buy any world class talent off the shelf without the threat of having the man on their back.
Stoke City are in the same boat. Championship FFP rules are aligned with the Premier League. Stoke are owned by the people who created BET365, multi billionaires who can’t spend any money that will meaningfully benefit the progress of their club.
Meanwhile Notts Forest and Everton are having points taken off them during a season where they are fighting for league survival.
Where does this all end?
Who will stand up against these ridiculous regulations that are choking the financial power traditionally associated with the English top flight?

Well I’ll tell you who…. MANCHESTER CITY.

During the initial FFP vote in 2013, six clubs voted against the new rules. Three of those clubs are no longer in this league and the remaining three are Fulham, Aston Villa and the Treble Winning Champions of the World.
City’s bosses saw right through the facade from the beginning, but the long game had to be played out, this wasn’t going away any time soon.
Fast forward ten years and as predicted, the Premier League charged City under the rules designed from the outset to stop them.
Or so they thought…
When UEFA launched an investigation into City’s finances (under its own separate FFP regulations) they alerted the Premier League to its intentions and began sharing their findings, from which the Premier League began its own investigation using UEFA’s evidence as a template. UEFA concluded City were in breach of rules and banned City from the Champions League.
Unfortunately for both organisations, there was a small problem along the way.
That small problem being that not one single piece of evidence that UEFA presented was able to stand up when viewed independently.
Now this would have been bad enough, had the people who reviewed this evidence been anyone other than… The highest judicial authority in the world for sport.
Luckily for the Premier League, a time barred restriction was placed on a portion of UEFA’s evidence, giving the Premier League a window of opportunity, since there was no time bar limits within the Premier Leagues own regulations.
All systems were go, the green light was on… 115 charges relating to Financial Fair Play and profit and sustainability rules.
However…
City insist they’ve not broken any rules and have openly stated they can prove it.
The Premier Leagues charges are as we speak, being independently reviewed by a time served King’s counsel Barrister.
This process is private and confidential by order of…. The Premier League.
No information is allowed to be discussed with third parties including the press, TV media and other private individuals and organisations.
It’s completely hush until the day the independent commission report is published.

When that day arrives, (around June 17th according to some unofficial sources) it will be the end of FFP as we know it.
In the time it took to legislate for City, allow City the time to go ahead and actually “break the rules,” investigate them, charge them and then independently review everything… the Premier League have potentially relegated two clubs, stopped its richest club spending any money, limited its title contenders squad options and caused a knock on effect of club legal action against one another as well as from clubs below them in other leagues.
All this to try and stop the Treble Winning Champions of the World from undermining the established, traditional order at the top of the pyramid.
When the truth finally comes out, the last thing Everton, Forest and Newcastle will be worried about is money. They will be more concerned with the fact that the administration of the very league they compete in has used them as sacrificial lambs as a means to an end that had nothing to do with them.
I highly doubt Premier League CEO Richard Masters sleeps very well at night knowing what’s coming this year regarding City “charges,” but that’s not the only thing giving him anxiety…
What will people think when the severely underreported revelations from 2020 resurface? Namely the fact that Liverpool and Man united had special access to vet Richard Masters as a candidate in the running to be Premier League CEO.
Masters was the League committee’s fourth choice for the role, the other three miraculously decided the job wasn’t for them, leaving the reds lap dog as the only option left.
FFP is just the start, the corruption and manipulation will all come to light.
City have already ruined the party, but to what extent the party has been ruined is still behind closed doors for as long as City have a case to answer.
Those doors will be opening within a matter of weeks and no prisoners will be taken.
Often the question is asked, “If they are innocent, why didn’t City just cooperate?…”

…It’s simple; City do not negotiate with terrorists.
City knew from the start that FFP was a sniper scope aimed at the Etihad.
City knew they were being baited into proceeding with no regard for the new rules.
City knew what the agenda was, who was behind it and how it was being played out the entire time.
That’s why City so confidently state they have done nothing wrong.
Because the last thing City were ever going to do after 2013 was give the Premier League a valid reason to attack.
Their hand was forced with talk of a Government Regulator coming in and the evidence against City will be the same tripe it was when it began in the office of the UEFA FFP panel, the leader of which ended up in a French prison on corruption charges…

Word to the wise… Start getting your apologies ready by the end of spring. City are about to save Football, and it’s going to be BIBLICAL.

- Admin, Super City from Maine Road

Great post. Seeing as you metioned the rich owners of Stoke and Newcastle I would like to throw in a curveball. What if a similarly rich owner says whats the point of spending millions on my Club if I can never get any glory for our supporters, if all the rules favour the red tops and Spurs, who have a stranglehold on the rule makers. So I am winding the club up as I see no point in continuing to fund a hopeless sporting case. The opposite of saving Bury, Macclesfield, Portsmouth and the Readings of the sporting pyramid that the rules are supposed to help, which we all know is double speak for protecting the money for the red tops and Spurs.

 

[Metalartin]

Has there been a new podcast with Stefan and Harris or are people catching up on the other one from a few weeks back? I don't know how anyone saw that and thought Harris came out on top.

 

[TShed]

The best outcome to finally destroy the current constitution of the PL is for their quango to declare we are guilty then we invite Police and HMRC to the party