PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Gorton_Tubster]

Which is all a great theory apart from the fact it (a) didn't stop the new guys becoming good enough and (b) didn't relieve any pressure on the existing teams spending to keep up, United are the highest spending team in the league and they're paying record amounts to do record breakingly bad.

tbh I think our success is because of PEP. Not even money. Our enemies are up in arms about the spending, but its pep that is breaking the carteland they dont even realise!

But yes, utd have spent that much because City have. They would prefer not to.

 

[Dribble]

So just so I've got this clear.

1) FFP was dreamed up to have the league always be won by United or Liverpool.

2) FFP was brought in and in place for 10 years.

3) United and Liverpool have won 1 title in this time.

You've convinced yourself a scheme was created to stop City, it was brought in, it had absolutely zero effect, and that's proof the evil scheme exists.

...and now the rules are being changed to benefit new owners with money coming in and competing with the "protected teams" you're convinced that's also proof of the protection scheme.

You were doing so well up to that point.

I've nothing to convince myself of. The evidence is there. Between 2001/2 until 2009, UEFA were involved in fruitless discussions with the G14 regarding debt control in football which had seen clubs like Parma, Fiorentina, Rangers, Leeds, Portsmouth etc either go to the wall, or be on the brink of collapse.

However, as soon as the serious threat of City appeared on the horizon, the G14 changed tack. Their focus was no longer on controlling spiralling debt in football, it was now about curbing owner investment to protect themselves from competition.

How can you anyone surmise this? UEFA renamed their Football Debt Initiative to Financial Fair Play.

First explain to me what's not Fair about owner investment, & for whom is it not fair exactly?

 

[KS55]

UEFA are the Premier League now?

You may have noticed that I said “follow it from there”.Had you bothered you would have seen how the PL took up the cudgel.
Im leaving your rabbit hole now.
You didn’t have the courtesy to acknowledge that you had put words in my mouth which ascribed to me beliefs which I do not hold. I thought it may have been accidental but your continuing to do it tells me it is deliberately dishonest. What a pity that you queer your own pitch so much.

 

[Mancity1980]

Remove our domestic titles, & this is how FFP/PSR was designed to shape the Premier League.

2010 - Chavs
2011 - ManUre
2012 - ManUre
2013 - ManUre
2014 - Dippers
2015 - Chavs
2016 - Leicester (The fairytale anomoly)
2017 - Chavs
2018 - ManUre
2019 - Dippers
2020 - Dippers
2021 - ManUre
2022 - Dippers
2023 - ArseAnal

If the above was the case with ManUre, Chavs & the Dippers dominating English football, with City being Europa/Conference League regulars at best, dya really think we'd be going through the FFP/PSR travails we are now & have in the past? No chance!

We're unwanted trespassers in their private members club & they want us ejected, but they can't. Hence they keep changing their club rules in the hope their old order can be restored.

This is why it beggars belief that City fans keep talking about life beyond Baldy as if we're wishing him gone. To my recollection, Pep's never intimated he wants to leave. It's our opposition who want Slaphead gone in the hope they can reclaim what they believe is rightfully theirs.

City are oil money invaders from the Middle East & the old money of the Premier League want the stench of us vanquished.

I’m sure the old money of the aristocracy wanted the new money of the industrialists gone post WWI, it didn’t turn out that way did it?

 

[KS55]

You have the patience of a saint. I'd have just told him to fuck off by now.

I’m no saint…I just like an argument, but I would prefer an adult opponent.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I’m no saint…I just like an argument, but I would prefer an adult opponent.

Only another week until the holidays finish;-)

 

[Centurions]

You may have noticed that I said “follow it from there”.Had you bothered you would have seen how the PL took up the cudgel.
Im leaving your rabbit hole now.
You didn’t have the courtesy to acknowledge that you had put words in my mouth which ascribed to me beliefs which I do not hold. I thought it may have been accidental but your continuing to do it tells me it is deliberately dishonest. What a pity that you queer your own pitch so much.

They're deliberately misinterpreting what people are posting at this point, that's become very obvious.

 

[Dribble]

No, its much more straightforward than the winning of titles. You need to follow the money...

The important thing with regards to the money is qualification for the Champions League. Once you're there. you earn significantly greater income (and profit) by extra TV, commercial deals, matchday income etc. In England, it was all very nice - three spots for Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal. Then along come Chelsea and miraculously a fourth spot opens up. Then along comes City and...oh, wait a minute. the existing teams can't simply guarantee qualifying each year. Even more problematic with Newcastle threatening to join the party....

So actually who wins is irrelevant, just being in the room's the key to this. So, stop the new guys becoming good enough, and as a side issue relieve the pressure on the existing teams actually ahving to spend to keep up...

Hence why I said if City were Europa/Conference League regulars, little of this would be happening to us in terms of FFP/PSR, because it would be deemed to have achieved its objective in stopping us.

City winning the Premier League is bad enough, but because that means we occupy a vital Champions League spot too, one of the old Sky Four has to miss out on qualification.

Winning the PL & the CL qualification that comes with it, are inextricably linked.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

It did have an effect

Rodwell and Sinclair in summer 2012 rather than Di Rossi and Hazard

We’ve succeeded in spite of the hurdles deliberately placed in our way

Those and other signings were designed to piss Bobby Manc off.

They had to wait another 12 months to achieve that after four players including David Silva,allegedly,said they would leave if he stayed.

 

[domalino]

You may have noticed that I said “follow it from there”.Had you bothered you would have seen how the PL took up the cudgel.
Im leaving your rabbit hole now.
You didn’t have the courtesy to acknowledge that you had put words in my mouth which ascribed to me beliefs which I do not hold. I thought it may have been accidental but your continuing to do it tells me it is deliberately dishonest. What a pity that you queer your own pitch so much.

OK so lets follow it....The PL didn't try to do anything until 2022. Is waiting doing nothing for 4 years "taking up the cudgel"? No. Clearly fucking not.

By which time City were already the dominant team in the league, had all their related party tranactions scrutinised and approved multiple times and were 100% certain would not be impacted by the new rules. Not much of a "cudgel" is it?

And then you accuse me of dishonesty!?

There's just a massive gaping hole in your logic that you can't reconcile because the Dec 2022 rule changes had nothing to do with City, and yet you're so fucking desperate to pretend they were so it can be fed into your persecution complex.