PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Sk@mcfc]

If we were Liverpool fans (urghhh) with these daily jibes, accusations, the smears, the mocking, downright lies - perhaps we would be demanding some compo by now.

Countless trophies and piss boiling is enough compo for me

 

[The Colonel]

I know where your coming from but I want our acheivements to be admired by all, not sullied.
I want others to remember the Pep era as a great pure football acheivement and I want to look back with pride. I can't do that currently.
We lost all admiration from other fans as soon as the charges landed and we've, the club, done nothing to arrest back control of the situation since then.

You need some perspective. Most fans don’t give a toss about all this and see as jealousy or just a bit of banter. Rags, dippers and arse fans are hurting and it’s purely their coping mechanism as they are deluded self entitled zombies. It gets amplified due to social giving these knobs a platform and their media friends. Not long now anyway just smile knowing you have just witnessed the greatest side ever in this country.

 

[cheekybids]

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He said: '(broadcaster) TNT - no 12:30 discussion; referees; we don't talk about Man City - don't know why; we don't talk about financial things - don't know why; VAR'.

Compere for the evening John Bishop then questioned Klopp on what might happen should the Reds find themselves two league titles the richer should an ongoing investigation into Manchester City strip them of their crowns.

City are currently being investigated over 115 alleged charges of breaching Premier League financial rules, though the club has repeatedly and vehemently denied them.

Klopp said: 'If you organise a bus parade I'm in. How long it takes, I don't care how long.'

John Bishop is coming to Perth, the missus wanted tickets…… not a fucking chance, the goofy ****!

 

[manimanc]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

"From what I'm reading/hearing.."

"City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine.."

And to cap it off..

"As a gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all.."

 

[bridgeno1]

And... there it is, the mask has slipped.

You did well to keep up appearances for so long.

For the record, City were found innocent by CAS. If you are found guilty of something, and a higher court decides that was the wrong verdict, you are cleared, you don't stay guilty. And anyone that tries to pretend otherwise is a bitter twat. Through that little twist, your agenda is pretty fucking clear.

You will no doubt stick about like an obsessive weirdo, but you are not fooling that many any more.

You're reading that 'the mask has slipped' into all that? Sorry but that's just paranoid on your part.

For what it's worth I think if you've got money to invest in your own football team you should be able to do so however you choose fit. The point I was trying to make was that at the end of the day, talk of relegations is wide of the mark and that my feeling is that a deal will be cut behind the scenes so that everyone can move on. The reasons for this are 2-fold. Firstly so City can move forward so it will be in their interests to bring it to a close ASAP. But secondly it's hardly in the PL's interests for City to be found guilty of the most severe charges. PL football is a highly marketable brand - not going to look good if its prize asset of the last decade gets slapped with massive penalties and makes it look like the PL has been presiding over a dogs dinner. Money talks at the end of the day in big business.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Kin fucking hell just seen klopp said he will do a bus parade if our titles are taken of us. Some knobhead at arsenal sounding off as well.

Why can't the club just tell these fuckers to shut the fuck up. All klopp and others are doing is stirring more hatred towards the club and fans.

The club is insulated from other fans hatred but we aren't. We get it day in day. I've said before someone is going to get hurt.

Something needs to be done to stop this shit stirring hatred towards us fans. I can't even go for a pint or shop in tesco without some comments being said.

It's getting to the point were for the first time in 63 I'm getting worried about wearing my support, be that a hat, jacket, shirt etc.

It's getting fucking ridiculous that klopp and Co can peddle this hatred.

The class Pep affords him and yet he happily seeks to hide his failure at what is essentially Pep's expense.
Expected nothing less of the classless, two-faced, lying hypocrite to be honest.
Just fck off and good riddance. Vile character.

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

I’m glad you’ve cleared that up for us, thanks for your valuable expert legal input, much appreciated.

 

[Stephen.spcostman.co.uk]

Some serious psychological issues here. You can only take pride in something City have done if third parties laud it? Frankly, I take no pride in the rags winning anything and I don’t need the dippers to applaud our treble.

What an appauling take on what I said. I do take pride in our acheivements. I want this City side to be on Sky in 20 years time like the Rags. I want to see us reverred, not shoved under the rug. It's happening already due to the weaponised 115 charges, wake up.

 

[jaiguruKun]

Kin fucking hell just seen klopp said he will do a bus parade if our titles are taken of us. Some knobhead at arsenal sounding off as well.

Why can't the club just tell these fuckers to shut the fuck up. All klopp and others are doing is stirring more hatred towards the club and fans.

The club is insulated from other fans hatred but we aren't. We get it day in day. I've said before someone is going to get hurt.

Something needs to be done to stop this shit stirring hatred towards us fans. I can't even go for a pint or shop in tesco without some comments being said.

It's getting to the point were for the first time in 63 I'm getting worried about wearing my support, be that a hat, jacket, shirt etc.

It's getting fucking ridiculous that klopp and Co can peddle this hatred.

If Klopp had any class he would have STFU given what Pep said about him the other day.

 

[The Colonel]

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

Just incorrect here as others have pointed out.
Also the evidence you refer to WAS requested by CAS and was shown as they ruled that it could infer wrongdoing during the period in question.
Like anyone giving an objective opinion on this the minimum should be that they read the CAS verdict and not use the rival fan narrative on this.
City were cleared by CAS on their charges except for non cooperation