PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[There is a Light]

Is it really only a week ago that Tolmie posted some positivity on this thread.
Seems a lifetime ago

It’s absolutely like a rollercoaster

 

[BrianW]

I was thinking about this.

Khaldoon is a very, very serious player. Not some spiv off Bury Market.

I'm sure his English is excellent. As good as any native's. He said 'irrefutable evidence.' That's a very high bar. He could have chosen many less definite constructions, without saying: 'They've got us bang to rights, guv.'

If the police came around tonight and accused me of murdering someone, I doubt I could offer 'irrefutable evidence' that I didn't. I'm confident I could present evidence sufficient to persuade a jury that I was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

'Irrefutable evidence' would be me saying to the police: 'An independent cameraman filmed me for every single minute of yesterday. Here's the video. Feel free to run it past your technical people.'

A very high bar indeed. And if he is exaggerating he is going to look a right cock, as well as a liar. I find it hard to believe a guy like Khaldoon would be so reckless. Especially as it's not just his reputation on the line, but that of Sheikh Mansour, and by extension that of the UAE royal family. I mean, come on. These are people with huge resources and a shedload of influence. They aren't going to be happy if they are made to look like cocks and liars. No way is Khaldoon such a fool. No fucking way.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

It’s absolutely like a rollercoaster

Just got to ride it...the ride will eventually come to a stop :)

 

[I'm Blue]

The threads jumped around 30 pages since last night.
Here’s me thinking something has happened.
Nope, it’s just the thick WUM straying from his lane.

 

[silva_is_gold]

I don't feel I need to. That wasn't the point of my post. I was just pointing out that in the real world businesses (and that's what both City and the PL are at the end of the day) try to figure out what's best for their own continuity and come to an agreement so that both parties move on. What happens when the office nutcase tries to claim unfair dismissal? More often than not a deal is cut behind the scenes to avoid lengthy legal proceedings and bad PR making its way to that company's client and prospect base. City getting slammed isn't a good outcome for City but it's also a terrible outcome for the PL which is why I think it's the least likely outcome.

So the Premier League can throw 115 bullshit charges our way,
Then expect us to take a 20 point deduction to save their ass,
To fuck with ye!
Khaldoon takes no hit this time!

 

[christopp]

I used to come on here for the positive spin. Now it’s just depressing. Stop letting the rags and whoever else get to you and just wait and see!

If Tolmie says we’re fine then we’re fine!

(Although I still don’t quite get who Tolmie is )

 

[pauls]

Not part of England but the capital of the Independent People’s Democratic Republic of Mardarse.(Currency: The Hubcap. 10 to the dollar.)

Think Everton should hold an evening in the same venue and askvif

I can’t believe nothing more was made of this, was an utter disgrace. Media were absolutely silent. Then again, I shouldn’t be surprised by the biased coverage this mob get.

Yep, Bingo answers a loaded question and it's all over MSM, should have asked him about the 5 year European ban, they're terrified of the cult.

 

[JewelZee]

I watched AFTV this evening to catch up on the transfer rumours and I was disappointed to see AFTV banging on about the charges as that hasn't been part of the agenda of AFTV all season. That being said there were City fans on here having a dig at the Thomas Partey accusations and in both cases it's innocent until proven guilty. You can't give it out to him and then complain that other fans give it to City. Not until the proper legal process has been allowed to take course.

Re the City charges, 115 is misleading as the reality is it will boil down to a few more serious charges and a bunch of other much more trivial misdemeanours. Bear in mind the traditional top 4 sides had decades to get their shit together and spend a fortune on building their clubs so if, big IF, City are guilty, it will be of doing something to develop the club in a way that the other big sides have historically been allowed to do but now times have changed and newly-monied clubs are unable to, and City bending the rules and concealing the true nature of events leading up to City being able to invest in the club.

From what I'm reading and hearing it is likely some sort of deal gets done in the background, City get a 20 point deduction and a big fine - will mean they won't win the league that season but still qualify for CL. The hysteria that City get relegated to the National League or whatever is overkill - not in a million years will that happen and it's in the club's interests to wrap things up quickly and I'm sure the lawyers will be advising them that as for sure with 115 charges to go through some of them will stick, even though there's an element of subjectivity to them all.

Note also, contrary to some of the posts in this thread, City were NOT cleared by UEFA. They were found guilty however there is a statute of limitations that applies when going to the European CAS meaning evidence older than a specified period of time cannot be used and therefore the charges were not allowed to stick. PL rules are different and evidence can be used from any period of time which is why I think the PL will get some of them to stick. But none of the charges are as serious as the ones Juventus faced for basically match-fixing and their penalty was relegation to the next division down. So there's nothing in my mind that makes me think City won't be able to do a deal behind the scenes with a one-off points deduction and a fine.

As a Gooner I'm genuinely not bitter at all - we've historically had the opportunity to spend whatever we wanted - we chose not to (despite at the time having a corrupt Putin stooge in the form of Alisher Usmanov as a major shareholder who wanted to splash his blood money around). Other clubs like Chelsea and the Rags did get their wallets out though and now they don't like it when someone else wants to spend their money on their club. Football has always been. That way in the PL era - heck even Blackburn bought a league title. Since then more clubs have come in with the readies to compete and build the infrastructure to take the club to the next level, set up sustainable infrastructure for the future, sustain higher revenue channel opportunities and so on.

Chelsea spent dirty Russian money on building that club. Money with blood on it.

And as for the Dippers being up in arms - let's just reflect on the fact that their club is responsible for the murder of 39 Juventus fans, responsible for English teams being banned from Europe, responsible for attacks on opponents team coaches. If there ever was any justice then that club would be permanently banned from Europe and would have been relegated by the FA for giving English football a bad name in the 80s. So I'd advise them to shut the fuck up.

WTF are you on about?...

 

[BlueRockape]

Just got to ride it...the ride will eventually come to a stop :)

Or as a line from MASH.
Pull down your pants and slide on the ice

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

If the IC is completely overwhelmed by the strength of City's case, why are the PL offering a fairly hefty 20-point deduction and £50m fine?

Without a settlement it will continue for years, its making governance of the PL extremely difficult, it's also damaging the PL/City brands every day it continues. In addition, every single disciplinary decision the PL makes creates a "what about City" pile on. Without a settlement we could be back here in a year on page approx. 10K++. They probably opened with a very high settlement "offer" expecting a negotiation downwards in response.