PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Franny 1234]

Not if you get somebody to film it without him knowing

Are you a special opps investigate. LOL

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Cheesy cheeseman. Large head, snipers dream.
Soz, Bob Mortimer ref..


People (with all their Internet bravery) calling out cheeseman, calling him names etc. Get a fkin life. He's a decent bloke no matter what he has or hasn't said.

 

[Stoned Rose]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

Somebody said this somebody said that.

You should’ve known better than to post it in the first place mate.

You know how fragile some on here are.

 

[oldius]

40 point deductions will not have been decided at the time Ian Cheeseman passed on the information. It makes me wonder whether it was deliberately passed to him as a test - I can't think of any other reason. I remain convinced that we will emerge relatively scot-free beyond the damage already done to our reputation.

Anyway, giving people a hard time for passing on things they have heard stops much of the forum's activity. We all love a bit of gossip, especially around transfers.

 

[Coatigan]

Somebody said this somebody said that.

You should’ve known better than to post it in the first place mate.

You know how fragile some on here are.

From my recollection of the original post, there was more than enough of a 'judge it for yourself' acknowledgement of it probably sounding unrealistic. There have also been worse claims put forward much more resolutely. Think we are certainly at a point of moving on though.

 

[M18CTID]

Are you the recipient of the information?

Have you actually bothered to read any of what I posted today and the other week? Or do you find it difficult to understand plain English?

 

[M18CTID]

40 point deductions will not have been decided at the time Ian Cheeseman passed on the information. It makes me wonder whether it was deliberately passed to him as a test - I can't think of any other reason. I remain convinced that we will emerge relatively scot-free beyond the damage already done to our reputation.

Anyway, giving people a hard time for passing on things they have heard stops much of the forum's activity. We all love a bit of gossip, especially around transfers.

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally as being the actual punishment when we’re not even at that stage yet.

 

[Roachy]

We’ve been through all this the other week but you obviously missed it.

While talk of a 40 point deduction is almost certainly a Chinese whisper, Cheeseman relaying the story wasn’t a Chinese whisper. He said it and he knows he said it. He told one of ours at Anfield the other week and said that his source was someone “high up” at the club. The person he told was hardly going to keep it to himself was he? No, of course he wasn’t. Especially as that person, like Cheeseman, has plenty of contacts in the media and also a couple at the club. So the first thing he did was check Cheeseman’s story out with Tolmie who he’s been mates with for 30 years and to try and find out if Tolmie had heard anything along similar lines. Tolmie reverted back to him saying Cheesy was chatting shit. Since then, Cheesy has subsequently denied ever saying it. I find that disappointing to be honest. Unlike some on here, I’ve always had a lot of time for him.

Now it’s up to you if you want to believe the above but Tolmie can back some of it up, and although he himself didn’t hear it from Cheeseman, the person who did is a long-standing mate of his and isn’t going to make shit like that up. For some reason, I got pelters on here from some quarters when all I’ve ever done on here is post any info in good faith. I’ve posted positive and negative snippets on here about this case. I bet if Cheeseman had told my mate something wholly positive instead, those same detractors on here would’ve no doubt been wanking themselves silly about it. In fact, it can be argued that what I posted wasn’t entirely negative anyway because I made sure I also posted Tolmie’s rebuttal.

Good effort for repeatedly trying to clear this up mate, must be close to pulling you hair out, lol.

 

[oldius]

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally when we’re not even at that stage yet.

Also a possibility.
It is very easy for people to slip up. A few beers, a bit of banter, and information easily gets out. We have probably all seen the same at works social functions and parties. I have never met Ian Cheeseman, but he also struck me as a true blue. I don't imagine that he would do something to deliberately damage the club.

As for the case, the timings of what he revealed didn't stack up so I treated it as nothing more than a but of gossip, but highly unlikely. We all just have to wait. This is not the same as cases where other clubs were clearly briefed by individuals with vested interests. The tribunal panel is now effectively sitting in judgement and making their final decisions. Anything that is now revealed, in advance, outs a mole from a very small burrow.

 

[Coatigan]

One theory I’ve seen - and it is a bit of a conspiracy theory to be fair - kind of mirrors that. That the club could be putting things out that aren’t true just to see who picks up on it and whether they subsequently pass it on. I’m not sure about that of course, and my own theory is that perhaps the PL have been pushing for a 40 point deduction, this has then found its way to Cheesy via a club contact, and Cheesy has perhaps taken it too literally as being the actual punishment when we’re not even at that stage yet.

It is the idea of them pushing for any point deduction or punishment, while the hearing was still ongoing, that ultimately falls apart. Rather than who said it, where they may have heard it or how etc.

As I understand it, the now concluded hearing is to determine whether the charges have merit or not. Any punishment or deductions can only become a consideration once a verdict on that is passed. Which is months away.

I say that as much for a general point on here as a response to you specifically.