PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Centurions said:
They're not leaks though, it's just chancers stating "a source told them". It literally can not be a leak and not true at the same time. That would be misinformation at best, made up bollocks at worst.
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Daniel Sturidge was banned for telling his mate he was signing for a team he didn’t sign for so maybe you can leak & be wrong.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Is it possible therefore that the respected KCs on the Panel could find us not guilty of anything shall we say serious but just guilty of non compliance and incorrect grass cutting. However their penalty for these minor offences could in fact trigger a much greater fine / points deduction / etc.?

In other words the KCs do it correctly but the penalty is what the PL want?
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Yeah. This concerns me.
IMO Everton have been docked ten points for ' incorrect grass cutting' (excellent phrase).
If say we are judged on the same basis and with possibly a bit of an extra penalty for not trimming the edges of the lawn, could end up with an even bigger charge?
 
Len Rum said:
Yeah. This concerns me.
IMO Everton have been docked ten points for ' incorrect grass cutting' (excellent phrase).
If say we are judged on the same basis and with possibly a bit of an extra penalty for not trimming the edges of the lawn, could end up with an even bigger charge?
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I’m concerned too, I seriously doubt their independence. They will be pushed to hand out severe penalties even with the flimsiest of charges subjectively proven eg non cooperation
This is why I asked what recourse through the courts we have if any of the above happens. Or are we just a sitting duck ?
 
Len Rum said:
Yeah. This concerns me.
IMO Everton have been docked ten points for ' incorrect grass cutting' (excellent phrase).
If say we are judged on the same basis and with possibly a bit of an extra penalty for not trimming the edges of the lawn, could end up with an even bigger charge?
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I’d be shocked if Everton don’t get all or most of those points back on appeal. There’s been a major backlash against the severity of the punishment. As everybody keeps telling us there precedent so that would only be a good thing for us
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Why would it?

A season without City would generate big interest.
City fighting their way back would generate big interest.

As long as exciting things are happening, which they always are, the premier league will remain massively attractive to viewers and advertisers.
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It would be hell of a story…the rise, then the fall and the banishment to the wilderness…but the redemption and the return to slay those that have wronged us would be box office and what is the Premier League other than a soap opera.

Netflix would eat it up.
 
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Blue_eyes said:
Is this what people are referring to when they say "statute of limitations", the number of statues allowed??

Hope we havnt passed ours or its 116th incoming.
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The statute of limitations is the last one in a line of statues. By common law tradition, it wears a flat cap to demonstrate its status as the end of the line, “the cap”.
 
SambaStyle said:
City are only dominant cause they are doing nearly everything right on and off the pitch, it wont last forever. Once Pep leaves, a noticeable drop will happen.
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They are banking on this.

Which is why Pep marked their card.

"Do the fuck whatever you like with these charges - the worse they are the longer I will stay".
 
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
They’ve got a high bar to jump to as well, statuette of limitations on how far they can go back. If it’s serious fraud they can go as far back as they want, however has any criminal activity gone on here to allow the Premier League to do that. This probably falls down on that straight away.
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.... but if it is NOT fraud but only breaches of the current rules or any rules that were not in place the time the alleged offences occurred, can they really retrospectively change the rules that were in place and prosecute? A tough ask I'd guess.
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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I've always said it.... Martin Samuel is without doubt the finest and most impartial sports journalist in the UK in modern times.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Neville coming out attacking the Premier League in all this explains that someone has actually sat down with him who is clued up on the City side of things to make the penny drop. He had this stance during the shit with Uefa, he wants to be seen as the cleverest person in the room.
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He also is part owner of a club that has had a massive owner investment, so he would be seen to be a massive hypocrite I guess he actually understands more than the average football pundit due to his Salford City involvement and his property empire
 
BigJoe#1 said:
.... but if it is NOT fraud but only breaches of the current rules or any rules that were not in place the time the alleged offences occurred, can they really retrospectively change the rules that were in place and prosecute? A tough ask I'd guess.
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The KC's on the commision will only consider the rules at the time of the offence
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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That should be printed up and replace the banner over the main entrance.
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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He's a genius That should be compulsory reading for everyone involved in football
 
BigJoe#1 said:
I've always said it.... Martin Samuel is without doubt the finest and most impartial sports journalist in the UK in modern times.
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Martin Samuel has given us a vision of what lies ahead for the PL. In time Richard Masters will be studied in Business schools along with Gerald Ratner, ie how the wrong person at the wrong time can single handedly destroy a multi billion pound business.

Can't stress this next point enough.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters approved the list of clubs given clearance to seek compensation from Everton.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters had instructed the IC hearing on the points deduction sanction to be used on Everton.

So he is now legally obliged to follow that process. So BEFORE our IC, what clubs have been given clearance to seek compensation from City, and what sanction has Masters asked for if we are found guilty of ANY number of the charges from 1 all the way to 115.

if the list of clubs is so numerous and the point deduction so excessive that the IC effectively represents an existential risk the club should seek an injunction at the High Court to stop what is already a polluted and prejudicial process. This should be resolved in a court of English Law where everyone including RIchard Masters and Daniel Levy etc will be forced to give evidence under oath.

I can not believe our Legal advice is to pursue with this kangaroo court when the owners face huge losses.
 
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homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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Very informative and balanced article. Martin writes what most of us think and feel about the situation. A lone voice drowned out by the ferocious click bait pack. At least we know it’s not always bias blue thinking on our part.

Wonder how many points Master the red has recommended the independent tribunal to hit City with? Greed and jealousy by the red clubs has destroyed the league. All because they fear competition. This is what happens when you hand over so much power to those clubs.
 
homerdog said:
Martin Samuel article in the Sunday Times today, it's pretty obvious what he thinks of Richard Masters and his co-conspirators at the PL:


What we are being asked to concede is that... Manchester City’s move from punchline to headline bringing with it some of the greatest football and footballers we have seen, plus the greatest manager, was without merit. The very thing that made the Premier League the best is being redrawn as its biggest failing.
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That's not just sports journalism. That's art. Hang it in The Louvre.
 
LeonardoDaVnci said:
Martin Samuel has given us a vision of what lies ahead for the PL. In time Richard Masters will be studied in Business schools along with Gerald Ratner, ie how the wrong person at the wrong time can single handedly destroy a multi billion pound business.

Can't stress this next point enough.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters approved the list of clubs given clearance to seek compensation from Everton.

BEFORE the IC hearing - Masters had instructed the IC hearing on the points deduction sanction to be used on Everton.

So he is now legally obliged to follow that process. So BEFORE our IC, what clubs have been given clearance to seek compensation from City, and what sanction has Masters asked for if we are found guilty of ANY number of the charges from 1 all the way to 115.

if the list of clubs is so numerous and the point deduction so excessive that the IC effectively represents an existential risk the club should seek an injunction at the High Court to stop what is already a polluted and prejudicial process. This should be resolved in a court of English Law where everyone included RIchard Masters will be forced to give evidence under oath. I can not believe our Legal advice is to pursue with kangaroo court when the owners face huge losses.
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This is what worries me.
We are sitting ducks and there doesn't seem to be a way out to a fair hearing, if going to court is not a path we can take.
 
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