PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

JewelZee said:
I understand what you are saying but that seems like an awfully long distance to travel in an attempt to head off what everyone knows is inevitable...the independent regulator is coming and the PL have taken on Goliath with not a sling shot but a pea shooter...If they've decided to go after City with charges of such magnitude using basically the same evidence everyone already knows it to be, then something simply doesn't compute...they have a 2 inch you know what in their hands whether one looks at it from the top, the bottom, or the side...just sayin...
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100% - my point was not that the PL threw this together at the last minute, that would be a crazy claim. Before even announcing charges there have already been 2x arbitration panels, a Commercial Court case and City’s appeal against that case and the PL won all 4, of course it wasn’t a last minute thing.

My belief is only that the announcement was rushed out in a panic, hence why the charges were pre-22/23 rulebook charges and not updated to the new rules.
 
Iassel said:
100% - my point was not that the PL threw this together at the last minute, that would be a crazy claim. Before even announcing charges there have already been 2x arbitration panels, a Commercial Court case and City’s appeal against that case and the PL won all 4, of course it wasn’t a last minute thing.

My belief is only that the announcement was rushed out in a panic, hence why the charges were pre-22/23 rulebook charges and not updated to the new rules.
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This is getting very confusing & obviously complicated.
Could you clarify what these 4 cases were? I didn’t know they’d won 4 against us. TIA
 
KS55 said:
Note: I think our case at CAS was argued by Paul Harris, assisted by Monica Carrs Frisk
Pannick analysed the case in advance and agreed the lines with Monica.
Harris is slated for the current case.
Can anyone confirm?
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Looking at his CV, I certainly hope so. His academic record and professional history are both insanely impressive.


Think he might be conflicted though, seeing he’s previously acted for United and Liverpool!
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
It’s a concern that many are overlooking. UEFA’s man at CAS had a human rights background IIRC and he voted against us on one charge after another. Hard to escape the notion that he was judging us for being ‘Manchester City owned by Sheikh Mansour’ rather than open mindedly assessing the evidence on its merits
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He will have been UEFA’s nominee for a reason.
 
Norbiton said:
I don’t know where this idea that barristers only take on cases they think they can win is coming from or the notion that losing a case somehow damages their reputation. Perry Mason wasn’t real. Our own Lord Pannick even defended Boris Johnson, an impossible task which he made a decent fist of until Boris went off script as usual. It’s the skill with which they argue the case that counts, not the outcome. From what my lawyer friend says anyway, but of course they’ll say anything
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“lucky to get zero”…
 
CC1 said:
This is getting very confusing & obviously complicated.
Could you clarify what these 4 cases were? I didn’t know they’d won 4 against us. TIA
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No worries, from Blackstone’s website - Adam Lewis who is representing the PL has been on this since at least 2020. As below, the club challenged the process and failed at arbitration, then took it to commercial court, lost and were forced to provide documents to the PL. This process was what City fought to have embargoed but the Daily Mail won the right to publish.

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Looking at Newsnow, there's a former CEO of Everton claiming City have a 30 strong set of in-house lawyers, that could potentially tie the PL up for a very long time. However, he then adds a caveat, whereby he states it is what he has heard, and doesn't know if it is true or not. Of course, the brain dead readers of other clubs will only digest the first part, and will become a fact. This is the kind of shite we are faced with, and the constant building of incessant reputational damage.
 
Iassel said:
No worries, from Blackstone’s website - Adam Lewis who is representing the PL has been on this since at least 2020. As below, the club challenged the process and failed at arbitration, then took it to commercial court, lost and were forced to provide documents to the PL. This process was what City fought to have embargoed but the Daily Mail won the right to publish.

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was this to keep the case private? which i thought everyone wanted
 
Just been walking through the snow in Kendal wearing my City hat and a voice says to me 'which league are you going to be relegated to?'. I looked up at the person. I think he was vaguely human and I said 'we won't be relegated!'. I said it more defiantly than I was expecting and noticed he had an Arsenal hat on. I then said 'You'd like us to be relegated, but we won't!'. Off he trudged in the slush. I hope I'm right because if I see him again I will let him know he was wrong...repeatedly LOL.
 
Iassel said:
No worries, from Blackstone’s website - Adam Lewis who is representing the PL has been on this since at least 2020. As below, the club challenged the process and failed at arbitration, then took it to commercial court, lost and were forced to provide documents to the PL. This process was what City fought to have embargoed but the Daily Mail won the right to publish.

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Thanks @lassel. If I understand - the 4 PL wins were all related to the one issue - privacy? Is that right?
 
Essex blue said:
I guess the Fa don’t think they will the case on 115 points but will have some joy which may result in 30 odd charges sticking.

Bear in mind some of the charges we are guilty of is breaching uefa FFP which we accepted, paid the fine and reduced squad. Non compliance may well be another so it’s easy to see 30 odd charges sticking which proves we are guilty in the eyes of the red tops even tho it’s not the serious offences everyone thinks
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For one thing it's the PL, not the FA.

For another thing, I've made the point on here and on Twitter many times that it's not 115 discrete charges. If you were a prolific burglar and were charged with robbing 115 different houses, that's 115 separate charges. But our situation is more like a burglar having robbed 15 houses and being charged separately for each room in a house they'd burgled. And if they were there at midnight, being charged separately for each day.

It's basically three substantive issues (sponsorship contracts, Mancini's contract and player image rights) covering multiple PL rules over multiple years. So the Mancini one involves something like 5 rules over 4 years, meaning 20 'charges' in all.

I very much doubt that they will find we breached Rule W.1 but not Rule W.2 or W.3, or were in breach in 2010/11 but not in 2011/12. The alleged breaches will stand or fall as a group. Your scenario could be correct however if we were found to have breached one of the issues, say image rights, which might involve 30 breaches of various rules over multiple years.
 
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CC1 said:
Thanks @lassel. If I understand - the 4 PL wins were all related to the one issue - privacy? Is that right?
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We only know what has filtered out - seemingly the club argued that the PL were biased and as such not the right party to handle any case. The arbitrators and Commercial Court disagreed and ordered City to comply
 
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Iassel said:
We only know what has filtered out - seemingly the club argued that the PL were biased and as such not the right party to handle any case. The arbitrators and Commercial Court disagreed and ordered City to comply
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Although we lost - not an important issue in the grand scheme of things - but good to see that the club were keen to take it all the way. An important sign for what’s coming
 
Bez said:
Just been walking through the snow in Kendal wearing my City hat and a voice says to me 'which league are you going to be relegated to?'. I looked up at the person. I think he was vaguely human and I said 'we won't be relegated!'. I said it more defiantly than I was expecting and noticed he had an Arsenal hat on. I then said 'You'd like us to be relegated, but we won't!'. Off he trudged in the slush. I hope I'm right because if I see him again I will let him know he was wrong...repeatedly LOL.
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Before then you can ask him if they will relocate back to their spiritual home in South London and stop pretending to be a Narrfff Landaan club.
 
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