PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[dadnlad]

how long has Masters been posting on here

 

[KS55]

I want you to name them, because as soon as you do, the idea that the entire league is built and organised around benefitting them crumbles.

Are people arguing that? I wouldn’t subscribe to that theory but the fact that some clubs have more influence than others has leaked into governance:
- Masters was approved by just two of the redshirts.
- Proposed rules aimed just at us (Stefan Borson)
- City alone being ‘charged‘ by the PL with breaking UEFA rules. Were United charged by the PL after failing UEFA rules recently?
- How much influence did the redshirts have in formulating 115 charges?
I am sure there are other instances of which I am not aware.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Seems to me that the only reasonable punishment is a transfer ban, minimum 1 year and continuing until the club show that they meet the rules, whatever they are that week.

Financial penalties do nothing other than make the problem worse, and points deductions penalise the fans.

100%, it's the only thing that works christ knows why they've ruled it out. Transfer ban until you've reduced any debts to a certain level. It's not hard is it they just don't want to do it

 

[oakiecokie]

how long has Masters been posting on here

Too fucking long.

 

[Stockton Heath Blue]

If I understand it correctly, any luxury tax is pooled and shared among the clubs staying within their means. Can you imagine the shitshow when it transpires that little old Citeh are beneficiaries of this pool at the expense of Everton, Forest, Chelsea, Villa, et al

 

[KS55]

And yet after approaching 40 years of the PL being in charge and seperate from the EFL, Britain has the deepest and best attended footbally pyramid in Europe and the Championship is the 7th or 8th richest league in the world.

This is pretty central to my point, a lot of posters are depserate to come at the Premier League from the perspective that it's failing and not fit for purpose...but it's just not. It's one of the most successful businesses and industries in the country. It's got some potential long term problems on the horizon, but they're taking steps to fix them by exploring changing regulations.

Yes again, but financial success is not supposed to be the only criterion to judge the pyramid by, nor is looking at the Championship in isolation.
Smaller clubs are having a torrid time: Bury, Rochdale to name but two local to us. Further back, Brighton were only rescued from winding up by outside intervention, Luton too. Doncaster and others were taken over by criminals. Are Charlton still struggling?
On the other hand, as you say, Gov regulators do not have a great record so how to implement the improvements clearly needed?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

how long has Masters been posting on here

I thought he'd fucked off but apparently not. I think we can honestly get the daft **** defending ffp such is his need to argue - the wife must have cucked him again.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

If I understand it correctly, any luxury tax is pooled and shared among the clubs staying within their means. Can you imagine the shitshow when it transpires that little old Citeh are beneficiaries of this pool at the expense of Everton, Forest, Chelsea, Villa, et al

A rag spending spree like some of the daft fees they paid for Hoijland, Antony, Sancho, Maguire giving City funds to go about their business. What’s not to like?

 

[Gundoggin]

how long has Masters been posting on here

He been here a while !
His red top cartel media men have been operating in the media thread about the same time …….. proper cunts !

 

[KS55]

Remind me, is that the redshirts that have won 1 of the last 10 Premier League titles between them?

They're the ones controlling everything are they? The club in 7th?

And the associated rule that you're certain is aimed at us, was that brought in 6 months after our takeover to cripple our progress? Or was it brought in 15 years later when we'd already won 7 league titles, but 6 months after Newcastle's takeover?

Er…where did I say the redshirts were controlling everything? Once you start putting words in others mouths you are being dishonest.
PS Note: I do not believe the redshirts are controlling everything and I explicitly said “ I would not subscribe to that theory”

 

[Paladin]

Are people arguing that? I wouldn’t subscribe to that theory but the fact that some clubs have more influence than others has leaked into governance:
- Masters was approved by just two of the redshirts.
- Proposed rules aimed just at us (Stefan Borson)
- City alone being ‘charged‘ by the PL with breaking UEFA rules. Were United charged by the PL after failing UEFA rules recently?
- How much influence did the redshirts have in formulating 115 charges?
I am sure there are other instances of which I am not aware.

Bernie being charged with racism, Garnacho not charged for a very similar comment.

 

[citizen_maine]

Bernie being charged with racism, Garnacho not charged for a very similar comment.

That was the FA, not the PL

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Er…where did I say the redshirts were controlling everything? Once you start putting words in others mouths you are being dishonest.

Now your just copy and pasting buzzwords again.

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

The entire league or the the clubs that you're convinced are running things and yet have won 1 of the last 10 league titles?

I'll never understand why so many people insist on using "not winning the league" as some sort of evidence that preferential treatment doesn't exist.

 

[domalino]

Yes again, but financial success is not supposed to be the only criterion to judge the pyramid by, nor is looking at the Championship in isolation.
Smaller clubs are having a torrid time: Bury, Rochdale to name but two local to us. Further back, Brighton were only rescued from winding up by outside intervention, Luton too. Doncaster and others were taken over by criminals. Are Charlton still struggling?
On the other hand, as you say, Gov regulators do not have a great record so how to implement the improvements clearly needed?

What does Doncaster being taken over by criminals have to do with the Premier League?

 

[the-ecstacy-of-eight]

...It's one of the most successful businesses and industries in the country.

I hear that the mafia also earned quite a lot of money through their industries and business dealings, but on deeper analysis I discovered that they were not so much of an example of a business model that should be heralded as ideal though.

 

[domalino]

I'll never understand why so many people insist on using "not winning the league" as some sort of evidence that preferential treatment doesn't exist.

The alternative is believing that there's a shadowy cabal that's constantly trying to target City specifically and protect the "redshirts" that is simultaneously an existential threat to the club's future existence while also completely ineffectual at doing either of these things and incapable of actually impacting anything on the pitch where these "protected" clubs fail year after year.

 

[domalino]

I hear that the mafia also earned quite a lot of money through their industries and business dealings, but on deeper analysis I discovered that they were not so much of an example of a business model that should be heralded as ideal though.

Again...this makes no sense if you think about it for even a fraction of a second.

If the Mafia wasn't breaking laws in order to exist and make money, it would be considered a very successful business.

Are you alleging the Premier League is breaking laws? Which ones?

 

[Dribble]

Again you're just copying and pasting buzzwords.

It's a cartel? Who is? The entire league or the the clubs that you're convinced are running things and yet have won 1 of the last 10 league titles?

Remove our domestic titles, & this is how FFP/PSR was designed to shape the Premier League.

2010 - Chavs
2011 - ManUre
2012 - ManUre
2013 - ManUre
2014 - Dippers
2015 - Chavs
2016 - Leicester (The fairytale anomoly)
2017 - Chavs
2018 - ManUre
2019 - Dippers
2020 - Dippers
2021 - ManUre
2022 - Dippers
2023 - ArseAnal

If the above was the case with ManUre, Chavs & the Dippers dominating English football, with City being Europa/Conference League regulars at best, dya really think we'd be going through the FFP/PSR travails we are now & have in the past? No chance!

We're unwanted trespassers in their private members club & they want us ejected, but they can't. Hence they keep changing their club rules in the hope their old order can be restored.

This is why it beggars belief that City fans keep talking about life beyond Baldy as if we're wishing him gone. To my recollection, Pep's never intimated he wants to leave. It's our opposition who want Slaphead gone in the hope they can reclaim what they believe is rightfully theirs.

City are oil money invaders from the Middle East & the old money of the Premier League want the stench of us vanquished.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I'll never understand why so many people insist on using "not winning the league" as some sort of evidence that preferential treatment doesn't exist.

It's the same go-to as people on the refereeing / VAR threads saying "if they are trying to stop us, they aren't doing a very good job, are they?". It's disingenuous firstly because most people don't really believe they are trying simply to "stop us" and secondly because it doesn't even recognise the possibility that, over a season, games can be managed to get results that benefit the "product".

Tbf to @domalino he is making some good points, but, as above, no-one really is suggesting the PL wants United and Liverpool to win everything. Are they doing things to protect the position of United and Liverpool (and their sidekicks) at the top of the game from threats from Chelsea (too late now), City (after this latest hurrah, will be too late) and now Newcastle, Villa and the like? That is the better question. Not sure there is much doubt about that, honestly.