PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Plain Speaking]

Hi Martha

Forgive my ignorance, who's Martha?

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

I don't mind these "articles", we've long known where the athletic stands as regards the American clubs. What I find illustrative is that the people being quoted are never willing to be named despite holding themselves out as acting for the good of the game. Why not ? Possibly because it would become even clearer that their interest is not the good of the game but the identity of the particular clubs they are the mouthpieces for.

What it does illustrate, though, is that there is no suggestion that we should have a fair hearing, but that whoever these people are, they have decided our guilt regardless of the evidence.

Or maybe these people being quoted don’t actually exist, except in the imagination of the author?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the Athletic article myself. Some interesting quotes - the one on settlement I completely agree with, the one on the APT stuff, I completely disagree with. And of course a lot of old ground and stating the obvious.

The APT case is not practically appealable though. That is wrong

It was a “everyone says they’re guilty, but most won’t go on record by name, but here’s what they said anyway” followed by “but City deny the charges” as almost an afterthought.

 

[nmc]

Someone's gotta pay for the PL Christmas party : )
If I remember rightly the non cooperation stems from the PL trying a fishing expedition.
We asked what they needed and they said everything, we refused.

Non cooperation may be difficult for the PL. it’ll be the IP that decides and given that City will have asked for quite a bit of info like emails etc between the red clubs and the PL, which clubs and certain Execs may have been reluctant to disclose their could be non cooperation issues on both sides. I can well imagine Liverpool have had a server problem and all their emails before 2019 have been lost!

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Our business model is functioning perfectly well. Record turnover, record investment, record profits.
We are a financial powerhouse unmatched by most other teams. Our CFG business model is envied across the world.
On the pitch we are World Club Champions.
We will be exonerated of the most serious charges.
We are the best team in the land and all the World, on and off the pitch.
CTID

It doesn't seem to have done Arsenal any harm that the whole country know Starmer and Corbyn support them.

 

[nmc]

Or finance……

Or football ……

Or writing

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Hateful bile, has a journalist put their name to the article?

by Adam Crafton Aug 15, 2024 8:15 PM

Adam Crafton began his journalistic career before he went to Cambridge University to study French and Spanish. A writer for the Daily Mail, he has been shortlisted four times for the SJA Young Sportswriter of the Year Award. He lives in London.

 

[nmc]

Absolute fucking hatchet job thinly disguised as journalism on The Athletic tonight!

Manchester City, the Premier League and the season everything might change

A few excerpts:

There are some (executives) who are so worn down by the decade-long pursuit of City that they fear Manchester City’s case may result in a financial settlement rather than a sporting penalty. Then there are rival executives who consider this outcome to be impossible, utterly outrageous, and say it would cast the death knell for financial sustainability not only within the English game but across European football.

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As one Premier League club executive says: “The collective view I’ve heard is that an appropriate sanction would have to be a points deduction so substantial — we are talking here between 70 and 80 points — that it guarantees City a season in the Championship.”

Another of the sport’s leading figures suggests the punishment ought to be more creative, that a number of points could be deducted from City in each of the next three seasons, meaning the club’s chance of Champions League qualification would be severely restricted. Another compares the City case to that of the English rugby union side Saracens who, when Premiership champions in 2019, were deducted 35 points, hit with a £5.36million ($6.9m at current rates) fine and relegated to the second division owing to non-compliance with the league’s salary-cap rules.

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A coach who came up against City has simply made his mind up about their guilt and argues they have not achieved their success with the same level of discipline as their rivals, but suspects it is too late now to truly remedy the matter. At the same time, there are fears that a failure to convict and punish City poses major questions about the Premier League’s ability to run itself, particularly with the prospect of an independent regulator still looming next year. Numerous club executives say their incentives to follow the rules would be greatly diminished if the Premier League proves toothless on City.

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In English football, nobody is prepared to put their name to quotes about the City case. That is not the same for La Liga president Javier Tebas, who has been a longstanding critic of the impact of clubs linked to nation-states. City always insist they are not owned by the state of the United Arab Emirates (UAE), but Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan is the deputy prime minister of the UAE and the minister of presidential affairs. He is the majority shareholder in City via Newton Investment and Development, a company he wholly owns and which is registered in Abu Dhabi.

Tebas tells The Athletic: “It is difficult for me to say what is proportionate in England because I don’t know so well the English rules and law. But I can refer to what happened at UEFA… then what happened at CAS — in a resolution I would describe as a joke — is they took the sanction away. It was a very controversial decision to take away that sanction. Now, let’s see, I won’t dare to predict, but I am aware that there is a lot of concern among many clubs in the Premier League about what happens with City. What happens with Man City is a before and after moment for the Premier League itself.”

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And so on…

Anyone would think the Euros are over, the Olympics are over, and City are about to embark on the chance to win a FIFTH STRAIGHT TITLE!!!

UFB…Oh wait, no, it’s entirely predictable!

If you thought the whole of English football was praying for an Arsenal title win last season, one can only imagine the narrative we face this season.

Let the games begin!

Any City fan who subscribes to this Yankee Red Club mouthpiece needs to reconsider their options…..

 

[slbsn]

@slsbn Can you help the guy out with this one. I have no idea.

I know the parties have to provide all their evidence up front, but I have no idea how seriously it is looked at before the actual hearing ....

The Panel will have access to the trial bundles when things kick off. There will be a couple of days/a week of pre-reading allocated in the trial timetable. Both parties will submit their written openings (skeleton arguments) with references to the witness statements and super key evidential documents and extracts of them. So there will be some general understanding but at the start quite high level. That said the Panel members could well get some impressions just by pre-reading. But in terms of the Panel flicking through trial bundle (probably 1m pages), not so much. They will look at the documents the barristers refer them to out of the bundle.

 

[slbsn]

It was a “everyone says they’re guilty, but most won’t go on record by name, but here’s what they said anyway” followed by “but City deny the charges” as almost an afterthought.

Sure but I am sure most other clubs think and hope City are "guilty" - that is just the facts.