PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

supercity88 said:
It really annoys me when I hear that slogan used. Every nation going is "washing" their image through a combination of policies/investments. This country does significant business with Saudi Arabia which barely gets a mention. But should they try and invest in a football club, host a World Cup or promote boxing/football in their own country we suddenly have a huge issue with it.

There are complicated politics, which are largely none of our business. If they follow religious scripture as the basis of their laws - which condemn homosexuality for example, then who are we to judge. It wasn't that different in western countries that long ago. And some of them still have plenty of issues/objections to it within large parts of their population.

In terms of construction workers and the number that die on construction projects. One of the major contributing factors to that, which is never really mentioned, is people are lying about their skills in order to get the jobs. You've got people coming from absolute poverty in other nations and they're willing to do anything to get paid more money. They'll lie about their skillset to get those jobs, and it's not like England where we have extensive laws around construction and health and safety (which still get breached fairly regularly). That doesn't make it okay, and there's still so much more they could and should do to improve things, but it's a major factor.
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Migrants from India & Phillipines living in abject poverty go to UAE & Qatar to work & send money back to families & no one criticises their homeland.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Last time I looked the UAE wasn’t even in the top 100 on the list for human rights abuse. It was below most of Africa, Asia, and South America for starters. Not to mention the USA, China, Russia, and Saudi. The criticism of the UAE has been a false narrative since Sheikh Mansour bought City.
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Nobody in the corridors of power in AbuDhabi cares a damn about sports washing. They believe they have their system and we have ours. In activities in this country, they are scrupulous in obeying our rules and regs.
They are investors looking to expand their markets and make a profit. Unless the UK decides not to trade with them a la Russian sanctions, Miggy and his like are pissing in the wind.
 
Bluewonder said:
Wrong - the UAE has the 31st worst human rights in the world:

ourworldindata.org

Human rights index

Data by V-Dem. Expert estimates of the extent to which people are free from government torture, political killings, and forced labor, have property rights, and enjoy the freedoms of movement, religion, expression, and association. The index ranges from 0 to 1 (most rights).
ourworldindata.org ourworldindata.org

The USA has the 21st best.
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Ok but the last one I saw was from Amnesty. It is a moving feast. My point remains that the UAE does not deserve to be singled out as a special case just because City’s owner happens to be from the UAE.
 
KS55 said:
This is right. By the same token there is no real reason to single out football as opposed to any other form of trade.
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Why does flat horse racing get a free pass?
At the top level it is totally reliant on Arab money. They plough billions into it. The whole of the Goodwood Festival is sponsored by QIPCO who cough up £8m in prize money over just five days of racing. Never a peep or a squeak from the media about it. Never. Not so long ago the big snake Sheikh from Saudi was in the royal carriage with the queen at Ascot. If there is a sport that is ‘sports washing’ then it’s horse racing.
 
cheekybids said:
Migrants from India & Phillipines living in abject poverty go to UAE & Qatar to work & send money back to families & no one criticises their homeland.
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Exactly, and there's individual accountability. I'm sure most of them know the risks of pretending to do a job they're not qualified to do, and unfortunately in construction the consequences can be fatal. It's not right, and it shouldn't be the case, but people are going to do whatever it takes to earn life changing money when they're living in poverty. For people in suits to talk about it is just ridiculous.

The main point I always make is that the Saudi's for example would be far better off not investing in anything. No one would be talking about them. Their investment in sport is always labelled sport washing now, with their Human Right's record continuously raised. So it's not really doing the job is it. Before they invested in sport no one said a word about what they were up to. In typical fashion the people in suits or on the radio/social media only care when it becomes a buzz word. GNIAC caring so much he took a job in Qatar to "highlight the issues" rather than stay at home without the salary and highlight the issues!

I'm much more concerned about what I see as US sportwashing on our game. The US owners are used to sports that don't have the jeopardy of relegation and that don't have opposition to moving where the money is. They'll do their best to create a league where they don't have to invest much money to make a hell of a lot of profit. That's why our owners are such a big threat. They are willing to invest significantly because they back themselves to employ the right people to secure a huge return on that and play the long game.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Ok but the last one I saw was from Amnesty. It is a moving feast. My point remains that the UAE does not deserve to be singled out as a special case just because City’s owner happens to be from the UAE.
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Maybe, but the media's maltreatment of City is a different topic to the UAE's poor human rights.
 
Exeter Blue I am here said:
All hail the Pythons!

You could make a reasonable case for ‘sports washing’ falling under the wider umbrella of the UAE’s 2017 Soft Power Strategy, so it perhaps shouldn’t be dismissed totally out of hand, but personally I don’t think that was the sole, or even primary, reason SM bought the club. It’s a convenient stick to beat us with either way
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All countries seek to maximise their soft power, but for the liberal left it's only sinister when the likes of China and the Gulf Arabs do it.

There are 64 countries that have laws that criminalise homosexuality, and nearly half of these are in Africa. For example, Kenya has very draconian anti gay laws, and if you go looking for it various international bodies periodically wring their hands about it, but the tourist industry flourishes unfettered, free of any meaningful criticism.

But what does a fat old white geezer know, let's hear it from the chosen one...



Call me cynical, but my guess is homophobia in Black Africa won't figure too prominently in Black History Month.
 
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supercity88 said:
Exactly, and there's individual accountability. I'm sure most of them know the risks of pretending to do a job they're not qualified to do, and unfortunately in construction the consequences can be fatal. It's not right, and it shouldn't be the case, but people are going to do whatever it takes to earn life changing money when they're living in poverty. For people in suits to talk about it is just ridiculous.

The main point I always make is that the Saudi's for example would be far better off not investing in anything. No one would be talking about them. Their investment in sport is always labelled sport washing now, with their Human Right's record continuously raised. So it's not really doing the job is it. Before they invested in sport no one said a word about what they were up to. In typical fashion the people in suits or on the radio/social media only care when it becomes a buzz word. GNIAC caring so much he took a job in Qatar to "highlight the issues" rather than stay at home without the salary and highlight the issues!

I'm much more concerned about what I see as US sportwashing on our game. The US owners are used to sports that don't have the jeopardy of relegation and that don't have opposition to moving where the money is. They'll do their best to create a league where they don't have to invest much money to make a hell of a lot of profit. That's why our owners are such a big threat. They are willing to invest significantly because they back themselves to employ the right people to secure a huge return on that and play the long game.
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It’s possible Saudi are trying to change their own populations attitudes from the elderly ultra conservative to a more liberal attitude. Most of the ruling classes have lived it up in the West & then behave back home.

The bridge to Bahrain on a Friday night is full of revellers on the piss.
 
PPT said:
Why does flat horse racing get a free pass?
At the top level it is totally reliant on Arab money. They plough billions into it. The whole of the Goodwood Festival is sponsored by QIPCO who cough up £8m in prize money over just five days of racing. Never a peep or a squeak from the media about it. Never. Not so long ago the big snake Sheikh from Saudi was in the royal carriage with the queen at Ascot. If there is a sport that is ‘sports washing’ then it’s horse racing.
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You're asking the wrong question though mate. It's not why does racing get a free pass, but why is football being singled out.
 
supercity88 said:
Exactly, and there's individual accountability. I'm sure most of them know the risks of pretending to do a job they're not qualified to do, and unfortunately in construction the consequences can be fatal. It's not right, and it shouldn't be the case, but people are going to do whatever it takes to earn life changing money when they're living in poverty. For people in suits to talk about it is just ridiculous.

The main point I always make is that the Saudi's for example would be far better off not investing in anything. No one would be talking about them. Their investment in sport is always labelled sport washing now, with their Human Right's record continuously raised. So it's not really doing the job is it. Before they invested in sport no one said a word about what they were up to. In typical fashion the people in suits or on the radio/social media only care when it becomes a buzz word. GNIAC caring so much he took a job in Qatar to "highlight the issues" rather than stay at home without the salary and highlight the issues!

I'm much more concerned about what I see as US sportwashing on our game. The US owners are used to sports that don't have the jeopardy of relegation and that don't have opposition to moving where the money is. They'll do their best to create a league where they don't have to invest much money to make a hell of a lot of profit. That's why our owners are such a big threat. They are willing to invest significantly because they back themselves to employ the right people to secure a huge return on that and play the long game.
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Much ignorance continues to be talked about current socioeconomic conditions and trends in the UEA.

Many things have changed and improved most particularly in the construction industry.

Safety standards are higher than in the west, accommodation is appropriate and practical, and wages are good.

South Asians,Philippineos and other nationals have historically been economic blue collar migrants, as have Italians and Irish.

Dubai has over 180 nationalities as residents from all over the planet, including thousands of British and Americans.

To suggest that the UAE today is dangerously exploitative of migrants is wide of the mark & I'm happy to set the record straight.
 
cheekybids said:
It’s possible Saudi are trying to change their own populations attitudes from the elderly ultra conservative to a more liberal attitude. Most of the ruling classes have lived it up in the West & then behave back home.

The bridge to Bahrain on a Friday night is full of revellers on the piss.
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Thousands of Saudis drive over to Abu Dhabi and Dubai for weekends of great restaurants,bars and relaxation.

Saudi is the next coming place, their investment in high end tourism, hospitality and vacations is utterly immense.

They are introducing a soft western approach without destroying their culture.

The young are smart, tech savvy and will lead the countries development in the next 30 years.
 
citizen_maine said:
You're asking the wrong question though mate. It's not why does racing get a free pass, but why is football being singled out.
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It's not just football to be fair.
Boxing is getting bad press now that the Arabs have invested heavily.
LIV Golf also got a battering. The irony is that if the Arabs owned the rags or the dippers then, we would never hear a peep about it.
 
mancity dan said:
Well it was good whilst it lasted. #goingdowntotheconference

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Haha this is quality, we have spent a fortune to fight this, denied everything and defended ourselves consistently. To turn up at a hearing and say, sorry we have no defence. Once more that private information has only been leaked to some bum on twitter. Gutted
 
supercity88 said:
It really annoys me when I hear that slogan used. Every nation going is "washing" their image through a combination of policies/investments. This country does significant business with Saudi Arabia which barely gets a mention. But should they try and invest in a football club, host a World Cup or promote boxing/football in their own country we suddenly have a huge issue with it.

There are complicated politics, which are largely none of our business. If they follow religious scripture as the basis of their laws - which condemn homosexuality for example, then who are we to judge. It wasn't that different in western countries that long ago. And some of them still have plenty of issues/objections to it within large parts of their population.

In terms of construction workers and the number that die on construction projects. One of the major contributing factors to that, which is never really mentioned, is people are lying about their skills in order to get the jobs. You've got people coming from absolute poverty in other nations and they're willing to do anything to get paid more money. They'll lie about their skillset to get those jobs, and it's not like England where we have extensive laws around construction and health and safety (which still get breached fairly regularly). That doesn't make it okay, and there's still so much more they could and should do to improve things, but it's a major factor.
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It’s the arrogance/small mindedness of the white western world.
They assume the leading powers in the middle east crave their approval. They simply don’t.
I watched a documentary on one of the Saudi Princes and he was asked about LIV, the football and boxing. He said it was for his people. He was doing it for his people and to show them that Saudi can attract the best of anything. I assume it’s for many reasons, but i’d suspect it’s for national moral, a demonstration that anything can be achieved and a demonstration of an admiration of his people.

After all the UAE or Saudi don’t need any help attracting business, so what or why do we the west assume they want our approval.
 
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