PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

The longer this goes on - the more worried I am getting. Seems like it's not slam dunk either way but very complex. Here was me hoping we would have easily batted the charges away as maybe Khaldoon had suggested

It was only a slam dunk if you solely get all your information from this thread.

 

[M18CTID]

The longer this goes on - the more worried I am getting. Seems like it's not slam dunk either way but very complex. Here was me hoping we would have easily batted the charges away as maybe Khaldoon had suggested

Even if it was a total slam dunk for us (or for the PL for that matter), it would still take months write up the verdict

 

[crystal_mais]

The informed view is that the case was incredibly complex because the charges are tantamount to tax fraud. If this were a real court case it would take a year. And on the flip side, for the IC, they need to be absolutely water tight in their judgements because of the army of lawyers waiting to pounce on both sides. Personally I wouldn't take the length of time it takes as a sign of anything positive or negative. Just the price of doing business so to speak.

Cheers mate - I was going off something Stefan had said about it being better for City of it took less time or something like that.

 

[WRicko]

I get you, and all City fans, want the verdict first but I don't think that is the way they legal fraternity do it.

I am saying it’s not just about how much there is to go through but how complex the verdict is a clear victory one way or the other on all charges is harder to write surely

 

[WRicko]

Because clubs they weren't targeted are now falling foul of restricted rules

But why haven’t UEFA and premier league tried to explain things and more importantly why haven’t we made them and kicked up a fuss ?

 

[chris85mcfc]

Cheers mate - I was going off something Stefan had said about it being better for City of it took less time or something like that.

Suppose it depends what you class as 'took less time'

 

[55yr old teenager]

We went to Northenden County Primary so Janice Cooke won't have been in your class at Green Snot.

Where was northenden primary school?

 

[eastmanc]

I am saying it’s not just about how much there is to go through but how complex the verdict is a clear victory one way or the other on all charges is harder to write surely

Yeah I understand that.

 

[Centurions]

The longer this takes, the more certain I am that it's good news for City.

 

[mancboy]

anybody that has ever dealt with solicitors will tell you that it takes a month for them to decide what type of water they would like in the water fountain at the offices after all the pros and cons have been weighed up never mind doing actual work im surprised its been resolved in the time it has.

 

[Goatmeal]

The longer this takes, the more certain I am that it's good news for City.

I also think they would have railroaded it out in no time had the PL won

 

[Paladin]

ok...im gonna post this again...from Bleak House. Charles Dickens.

“Jarndyce and Jarndyce drones on. This scarecrow of a suit has, in course of time, become so complicated that no man alive knows what it means. The parties to it understand it least, but it has been observed that no two Chancery lawyers can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises. Innumerable children have been born into the cause; innumerable young people have married into it; innumerable old people have died out of it. Scores of persons have deliriously found themselves made parties in Jarndyce and Jarndyce without knowing how or why; whole families have inherited legendary hatreds with the suit. The little plaintiff or defendant who was promised a new rocking-horse when Jarndyce and Jarndyce should be settled has grown up, possessed himself of a real horse, and trotted away into the other world. Fair wards of court have faded into mothers and grandmothers; a long procession of Chancellors has come in and gone out; the legion of bills in the suit have been transformed into mere bills of mortality; there are not three Jarndyces left upon the earth perhaps since old Tom Jarndyce in despair blew his brains out at a coffee-house in Chancery Lane; but Jarndyce and Jarndyce still drags its dreary length before the court, perennially hopeless.​

Brilliant book.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I also think they would have railroaded it out in no time had the PL won

The polar opposite. They will be painstakingly trying to identify every possible weakness and grounds for appeal, and tightening up any ambiguities to prevent us from doing so. Plus it’s going to be the most scrutinised ruling in the history of sport and all the little cnuts at places like the Grauniad are going to swarm all over it in the event that it finds for City in any capacity. There is zero prospect of it being ‘railroaded out’……..

 

[manimanc]

The longer this takes, the more certain I am that it's good news for City.

Me too.
Given how the Premier League have reacted to the cases involving other clubs and how quickly they released press releases claiming the upper hand and it being a victory for them, the fact we've not even heard one syllable from the pricks speaks volumes to me.

If they'd got one charge in their favour there would be a wankfest in the media.

I think that the gentleman he is and the professional, measured way he approaches things, khaldoon might well have said yep we'll wait until the season is done then we'll release our statement.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Tbh I think they have created the landscape for the charges to be dropped but City still be regarded as cheats. I don't care, as long as officially we are innocent.

I wish it would be soon though.

 

[halfcenturyup]

There was no way we were ever going to just bat these charges away or there wouldn't have been a hearing and it wouldn't have lasted 12 weeks. Nothing has changed mate.

Yep. People are getting worried because the theory is that the quicker the award, the better for City so they have assumed the longer it takes the worse for City.

Imho, that isn't the case. At least, that would only have been the case if some of the allegations had been thrown out at the beginning. It was possible but not very likely.

Documenting all the evidence and deliberations will take as long as it takes whichever side the verdict falls on. And any talk of January was crazy, March was super optimistic. I reckon we are entering the earliest likely period in which the award can be finalised.

So we have to stay calm and be patient.

And we have to remember the facts of the case aren't any different whether it takes three months or six months to finalise the award. It means nothing.

 

[M18CTID]

Me too.
Given how the Premier League have reacted to the cases involving other clubs and how quickly they released press releases claiming the upper hand and it being a victory for them, the fact we've not even heard one syllable from the pricks speaks volumes to me.

If they'd got one charge in their favour there would be a wankfest in the media.

I think that the gentleman he is and the professional, measured way he approaches things, khaldoon might well have said yep we'll wait until the season is done then we'll release our statement.

To be fair, the panel are probably still writing up the verdict, given how long the hearing was and how large the case itself is.

What I would add is that when rumours broke that we'd had success in the APT case there wasn't a peep out of the Premier League and we released a statement before the PL did.

 

[mad4city]

The longer this takes, the more certain I am that it's good news for City.

Going a bit peripheral to your point, here...
I's worth saying too that should we be largely innocent of all charges (and I like to believe we are), the same people who were accusing City of stalling and urging expediency, back when all of this started, would be howling about the PL not getting a fair hearing (or their inexpensively assembled legal team incompetently representing their case) had the verdict been delivered within a matter of weeks.
Whatever the verdict, nobody can say the Panel didn't show due diligence.

 

[bluestevei]

It opens for all of the Premier League clubs, even though its just us and the Chavs that are in the CWC.

thought the window opens 2 weeks later

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Cheers mate - I was going off something Stefan had said about it being better for City of it took less time or something like that.

I'm guessing here but there are multiple alleged rule breaches in each of a number of years. I wonder therefore if they have to determine each instance individually.

So "Did Manchester City breach Rule W.4 in 2015?"
"Did Manchester City breach Rule W.5 in 2015?"
"Did Manchester City breach Rule W.5 in 2016?"
Etc.