PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[LangleyBlue1970]

Love it.
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Good old PP

 

[bluemc]

A lot of empty seats for starters, the tourists are dwindling while the club takes local support for granted. Im monitored re my attendance after 40yrs + by an organisation 3 years into an enquiry about its own mgt being corrupt.

I won't derail this thread because there are multiple threads already about access to tickets and attendance, but I don't think there are many (or any) people not going to games because of the charges.

Regular/local blues have reasons for choosing to go or not go to games. Discussed to death elsewhere. Ticket prices, access to tickets and the club's bizarre policies making it so difficult to pass on a ticket are huge issues.

Are the tourists dwindling? Tourists by nature will want to rock up for the bigger games, when Madrid are in town, when we play the rags, Liverpool, Champions League semi finals etc.

This week's attendance versus Newcastle wasn't a bad one taking into account the competition, lack of jeopardy in the tie, prices and it just being a cold Wednesday night in February. We're not going to get 10k "tourists" picking up the slack for a game like that.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Not that I’m an expert on any of this shit, but the fact we’re apparently the first PL Club to hit 1bn likes on TikTok would tend to suggest you might be worrying unnecessarily here.

It seems the TikTok demographic have little issue with showing their support for City.

Fact is - most of us on here are old cunts, who consequently give undue attention to the mainstream media. Which is dying on its arse, and is embarrassingly irrelevant to the next generation of football fans.

The proliferation of client journalists in the mainstream media means we get a skewed picture of the general views and opinions on our Club.

My son is 16, and has never even heard of Ian Herbert or Miguel Delaney or any of these complete fucking nonentities whose views get a bewilderingly disproportionate amount of airtime on here.

He never listens to Sky Sports News or Talksport, or gives a fuck what the Guardian’s clear editorial position on our Club might be.

He consumes his football content through Gaming (mostly FIFA/EA Sports), TikTok and Snapchat.

His mates are all the same.

And in that world, Paul Merson or Nick Harris’ opinions are totally irrelevant in the decisions they’re making about which Clubs they follow.

Just because we mostly choose to consume the kind of biased client journalism that is clearly editorially anti-City )given the Clubs who are ultimately paying for it), it doesn’t mean the next generation of fans are hearing anything like the same message.

Great post. You can’t underestimate how much the mainstream media has collapsed. Most of these writers work for fringe publications with tiny audiences for football content. Bluemoon has a significant audience for City fans of a certain age. But we are guilty of amplifying the audience for clowns like Delaney and Harris.

 

[Wardley Blue]

If Donald Trump's behaviour is anywhere near representative of the US owners in the PL, there are so many more elements than just racism involved in their operations.

Self-serving and bullying, with the probability of both bribery and corruption involved in their operations, the threat posed by City's owners is too much for them to risk or ignore.

Finding the perfect stooge in Masters to carry out their plans to destabilise at best, or ideally ruin and destroy, together with the competition being their plans. Cabal mentality driven by greed.

US money is the genuine dirty money in this whole saga.

I would like to know the reason some of the people interviewed turned the job down.

 

[Father Paul]

Premier league must be regretting their conduct regarding these accusations , they went for the headline 115/130 charges and this has made the process a long drawn out case , if they had reduced the charges to the basic six alleged misdemeanors then this surely wold have been wrapped up far sooner.
Blame the Premier league for grandstanding and their legal charges which could possibly top £100m , that money could have been invested in grass roots football , but the Red 'istree clubs and their puppet Masters have been self serving in the witch hunt for our club run by "foreigners with a different skin colour" .
None of these charges would have seen the light of day if we were owned by Yanks , there is definitely a racist angle to this whole episode

As is the case in society generally the big winners these days are the legal profession, particularly true in this instance. Also recent events demonstrate that yes there is an elite which considers itself above the law it continually weaponises against others. A lot of what has happened to us regarding these charges does indeed have to be viewed within this context. My feeling is that the longer this goes on the more likely it is that the punishment will be relatively minor. If the substantive charges could be strongly supported we would be in the Championship by now.

 

[Kippax77]

I think the media have finally moved on from Virgil VDs disallowed goal at the Etihad and gone full tilt again with the charges.
Do we ever get 1 week of any season where we are not beaten by the media's shitty stick?
It's like it's become part of the fabrics of English football to attack Manchester City on a daily basis.
Politics- go after Starmer
Sports- go after City
No niceties anywhere anymore, just attacks and bitterness.


Ps for what's it worth i don't care for Starmer, but you get my jist

 

[Father Paul]

Not that I’m an expert on any of this shit, but the fact we’re apparently the first PL Club to hit 1bn likes on TikTok would tend to suggest you might be worrying unnecessarily here.

It seems the TikTok demographic have little issue with showing their support for City.

Fact is - most of us on here are old cunts, who consequently give undue attention to the mainstream media. Which is dying on its arse, and is embarrassingly irrelevant to the next generation of football fans.

The proliferation of client journalists in the mainstream media means we get a skewed picture of the general views and opinions on our Club.

My son is 16, and has never even heard of Ian Herbert or Miguel Delaney or any of these complete fucking nonentities whose views get a bewilderingly disproportionate amount of airtime on here.

He never listens to Sky Sports News or Talksport, or gives a fuck what the Guardian’s clear editorial position on our Club might be.

He consumes his football content through Gaming (mostly FIFA/EA Sports), TikTok and Snapchat.

His mates are all the same.

And in that world, Paul Merson or Nick Harris’ opinions are totally irrelevant in the decisions they’re making about which Clubs they follow.

Just because we mostly choose to consume the kind of biased client journalism that is clearly editorially anti-City )given the Clubs who are ultimately paying for it), it doesn’t mean the next generation of fans are hearing anything like the same message.

Even though I am also an old **** I seem to share a lot of similarities with your son in terms of what I do or don't listen to or read.

 

[BlueMerlin]

This is an opinion, of course. I think the charges are difficult to prove because the Premier League must have accepted the submissions before the leaked emails raised a flag and they decided to revisit the records. It is well documented that the charges relate to seasons 2009/2010 to 2017/2018. As many charges predate PSR introduced in 2013/2014 City have only 7 charges relating to PSR. The rest are accounting irregularities or non cooperation. I’m not sure how you conclusively prove accounting irregularities were deliberate. City would have used independent professional accountants to prepare financial reports. Also, the 115 charges have increased 134 despite them never changing. Sounds like another accounting irregularity. Lol.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

@halfcenturyup and @BerkshireBlue does this change your opinions or not?

Not at all, as he's right. All the evidence has to be heard to decide if limitation can be applied or not

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not at all, as he's right. All the evidence has to be heard to decide if limitation can be applied or not

But CAS didn't do that. They decided on how limitation would apply then only heard evidence that wasn't time-barred. We simply don't know the details of the PL hearing though so probably pointless to speculate.

It's also entirely possible that the PL's rules were so loosely put together (as we saw in the APT case) that they never even thought about this.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I genuinely struggle to understand that line of reasoning. I don’t see how the club could possibly offer anyone a cast‑iron guarantee of its own innocence. If I wanted an honest assessment of whether someone was innocent, the very last person I’d ask is the one facing the accusation.

It's a perfectly solid line of reasoning. They won't be offering a "cast iron guarantee" of anything but they might be able to say "Our lawyers tell us that the worst case scenario is a single figure points deduction" or whatever they have been advised.

There is no way that if City are worried about relegation that they would lie about it. That's the only punishment a player would baulk at.

 

[Phil1]

It's a perfetly solid line of reasoning. They won't be offering a "cast iron guarantee" of anything but they might be able to say "Our lawyers tell us that the worst case scenario is a single figure points deduction" or whatever they have been advised.

There is no way that if City are worried about relegation that they would lie about it. That's the only punishment a player would baulk at.

I mean, the club might be confident because, you know, we did fuck all wrong and we know we did fuck all wrong.
Sometimes the simple answer is the correct one and everything else is just white noise.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

People are worrying for what????

Find us guilty of every charge-I still love my team and will support them.It changes nothing at all for me in relation to City.
Find us not guilty..Business as usual.

If what Slbsn is saying is correct then I ask one question.Serious criminal allegations would need the serious fraud office / police etc to be involved if not time barred?

 

[Stoned Rose]

If Donald Trump's behaviour is anywhere near representative of the US owners in the PL, there are so many more elements than just racism involved in their operations.

Self-serving and bullying, with the probability of both bribery and corruption involved in their operations, the threat posed by City's owners is too much for them to risk or ignore.

Finding the perfect stooge in Masters to carry out their plans to destabilise at best, or ideally ruin and destroy, together with the competition being their plans. Cabal mentality driven by greed.

US money is the genuine dirty money in this whole saga.

I was on holiday in the Caribbean in the summer and our hotel had a lot of Americans. I can say without doubt that every single one of them came across as an absolutely enormous bell end. Even the kids were dickheads.

 

[mattcity5]

I mean, the club might be confident because, you know, we did fuck all wrong and we know we did fuck all wrong.
Sometimes the simple answer is the correct one and everything else is just white noise.

Which could also be a reason why we would actually want their to be no time-limitations. I'm sure if the evidence is as the club states, we'd rather be cleared on everything, rather than cleared back to a certain date with anything else ignored.

 

[feedmpenzaandhewillscore]

People are worrying for what????

Find us guilty of every charge-I still love my team and will support them.It changes nothing at all for me in relation to City.
Find us not guilty..Business as usual.

If what Slbsn is saying is correct then I ask one question.Serious criminal allegations would need the serious fraud office / police etc to be involved if not time barred?

You would have thought the inland revenue and the Police would have been battering down the doors of the Etihad three years ago if serious criminal activity had happened.

Also is it BDO who are City’s auditors, if all this alleged stuff had gone on which has come to light with the Der Spiegal articles in 2018. Why have they continued to work with the club for over 8 years?

 

[Centurions]

I would like to know the reason some of the people interviewed turned the job down.

One of them, either directly or indirectly, stated that it was to do with undue pressure from a small number of clubs, and this was after accepting the role. Can't imagine who the clubs could have been.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Which could also be a reason why we would actually want their to be no time-limitations. I'm sure if the evidence is as the club states, we'd rather be cleared on everything, rather than cleared back to a certain date with anything else ignored.

I hope there isn't any limitation. Need this putting to bed once and for all.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

We are not paying the best legal minds out there for them not to introduce fail-safes before a ball is even kicked.

The limitations consideration will have been ascertained and demanded, regardless.

City will certainly not have ignored limitations and gone three years of fees, just to retain an option of having our day in an actual proper court of law.

City clearing our name once and for all does not include an appeal. We are making our stand here.

I'm sure we are in the last knockings of an announcement.

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

You would have thought the inland revenue and the Police would have been battering down the doors of the Etihad three years ago if serious criminal activity had happened.

Also is it BDO who are City’s auditors, if all this alleged stuff had gone on which has come to light with the Der Spiegal articles in 2018. Why have they continued to work with the club for over 8 years?

They are obviously a partner in crime with City, and the bribe money too good to turn down !

It's blindingly clear. :)-