Player Thread: Patrick Roberts

Neville Kneville said:
Barker imo has even more ability than Roberts, but he hasn't got the same confidence at this time. But Roberts has played first team football & the EDS is a huge step down for him. Had he never played at a higher level he might not be so much more confident than Barker.

I think Barker needs pushing. He is a genius imo but needs a bit of help to get to the next level. I'm not sure he will do by himself without someone giving him a lift up. We should not let him fail. He is potentially another Bale or better. We should put everything into making a player out of him.
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I can see exactly where your coming from Nev.Barker is talented beyond belief but there are weaknesses in his game which,like you,i think stem from self belief - he needs the confidence of his manager and team mates to just get on the pitch with a licence to go for it and be pretty care free.......and hopefully the positive contribution will far outweigh the negative.
We certainly need to see progress as regards his development as EDS football is not the level he needs anymore.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Barker imo has even more ability than Roberts, but he hasn't got the same confidence at this time. But Roberts has played first team football & the EDS is a huge step down for him. Had he never played at a higher level he might not be so much more confident than Barker.

I think Barker needs pushing. He is a genius imo but needs a bit of help to get to the next level. I'm not sure he will do by himself without someone giving him a lift up. We should not let him fail. He is potentially another Bale or better. We should put everything into making a player out of him.
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i agree i rate barker as our best youth product, however i can't see our manager giving him enough games to develop
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
i agree i rate barker as our best youth product, however i can't see our manager giving him enough games to develop
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I havent seen as much of Roberts as I have of Barker but I would put Roberts in front. Maybe not a lot in it in terms of skill and running with the ball ,taking people on etc but the confidence that Roberts has from the first team game experience puts him ahead imo. Barker's limited experience with the first team suggested to me it will take time for him to have the confidence needed to show what he can do. My gut feeling is Roberts has that self belief to shine straightaway. The hard part will be to get Pellegrini to play him in the first team. Sunderland in the Cup surely.
 
Nelly's Left Foot said:
I havent seen as much of Roberts as I have of Barker but I would put Roberts in front. Maybe not a lot in it in terms of skill and running with the ball ,taking people on etc but the confidence that Roberts has from the first team game experience puts him ahead imo. Barker's limited experience with the first team suggested to me it will take time for him to have the confidence needed to show what he can do. My gut feeling is Roberts has that self belief to shine straightaway. The hard part will be to get Pellegrini to play him in the first team. Sunderland in the Cup surely.
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perhaps, if barker is given first team experience he could flourish and it could help hi mto develop, like it has with roberts. He has surely got to start against sunderland ... my fear is though that pelle won't give them enough chances, if sterling was at us instead of liverpool at 18 would he have played as much .... i dont think he would have done. I know we have to have instant success, but today for example navas did nothing for me and roberts should have come on
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
perhaps, if barker is given first team experience he could flourish and it could help hi mto develop, like it has with roberts. He has surely got to start against sunderland ... my fear is though that pelle won't give them enough chances, if sterling was at us instead of liverpool at 18 would he have played as much .... i dont think he would have done. I know we have to have instant success, but today for example navas did nothing for me and roberts should have come on
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After yesterday I'm hopeful Pellegrini will choose Roberts over Navas, there is a reason Pellegrini has been putting him on the bench. Barker needs guaranteed starts at a lower level team first. He's not ready to step up to our 1st team.
 
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ColinLee said:
After yesterday I'm hopeful Pellegrini will choose Roberts over Navas, there is a reason Pellegrini has been putting him on the bench. Barker needs guaranteed starts at a lower level team first. He's not ready to step up to our 1st team.
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tbf though if silva hadn't had got injured roberts wouldn't have been on the bench or if delph was in the squad
 
I like Barker a lot but I think Roberts is ahead of him as a pure talent. Barker is enigmatic and IMO is at his best in the box, and I'd like to see him converted into an orthodox striker.

He's got blistering pace, and is a fantastic finisher with either foot from the left side of the box; very Henry-esque from that position. Puts Sterling to shame in that regard.
 
twosips said:
But we don't want every player to be a Nasri. Roberts reminded me of Robben the other day - a player that some think is a little greedy. And yeah, of course he is, but that's what makes him so brilliant but too.

My big worry is that we're already starting to turn Barker into Nasri. He's explosive, but if he plays it safe, like he did in preseason he'll be half the player he is.
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Completely agree with both you and Colin Lee. My thoughts were more in line with using him on the INSIDE, rather than as a Navas/Sterling replacement. He, like Brandon Barker, looks like he has speed, agility, and the ability to attack defenders at pace, which is an invaluable quality. Question is, does it fit in with Pelle's idea of what we need own our supporting 3 behind Agueto/Bony, where there is immense competition.

For me, instead of adding Nacho to the mix on Saturday, Barker or Roberts would give been an ideal addition, giving WHU a different look and Vity a less pedestrian outlet. I completely agree that while Nasri is an outstanding passer, controller and visionary with the ball, his transition from defense to attack is woefully lacking at times.
 
.A. said:
I like Barker a lot but I think Roberts is ahead of him as a pure talent. Barker is enigmatic and IMO is at his best in the box, and I'd like to see him converted into an orthodox striker.

He's got blistering pace, and is a fantastic finisher with either foot from the left side of the box; very Henry-esque from that position. Puts Sterling to shame in that regard.
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Martial showed, once again, how important finishing is when you get a sniff. His finish from the intercepted back pass puts Sterlings breakaway attempts to shame. Missed chances finally cost us points this season, so let's hope WHU 2015 doesn't become Stoke 2014!!
 
Having seen him v Juve at the CFA I was hoping Pellers would give him ten minutes on Saturday to try and repeat the goal he scored on Tuesday. He is just the player to either run through three or four or be arse-ended up for Kollers or Yaya to thrash one in!
 
ChicagoBlue said:
Completely agree with both you and Colin Lee. My thoughts were more in line with using him on the INSIDE, rather than as a Navas/Sterling replacement. He, like Brandon Barker, looks like he has speed, agility, and the ability to attack defenders at pace, which is an invaluable quality. Question is, does it fit in with Pelle's idea of what we need own our supporting 3 behind Agueto/Bony, where there is immense competition.

For me, instead of adding Nacho to the mix on Saturday, Barker or Roberts would give been an ideal addition, giving WHU a different look and Vity a less pedestrian outlet. I completely agree that while Nasri is an outstanding passer, controller and visionary with the ball, his transition from defense to attack is woefully lacking at times.
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Kelechi was brought on because he's played before & Pellegrini knows him better imo. It's classic Manuel, & my biggest criticism of his instinct/ability to be a real top of the tree 'a' list manager. He needs a few months/years & a book full of stats on the player before spontaniously throwing him on. 'Kelechi scores goals & is next in line, lets hope he scores if I throw him on, out of position'.

As Martial has showed for Utd, young players can give the side a boost. People are going wildly over the top about him, but what he's done isn't actually uncommon at all, in fact it's par for the course with young players of a decent standard. Kelechi has also done it already for City. But Kelechi was the wrong substitution in the wrong position on Saturday.

What we needed wasn't necessarily a finisher, they had 10 players in the box blocking everything, we needed a wild card, something different.

It was the perfect moment for Patrick Roberts. Ferguson would have done it, without a shadow of a doubt, in fact he would probably have had both on & left Bony on the bench.
 
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