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Player topic: Frank Lampard (2014/15)
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Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
Luckily you're very much in the minority.
You're a handwringing old git that just created a huge strawman as you have no point.The perfect fumble said:SWP's back said:Were you startled?The perfect fumble said:Clearly people do care, what you mean is nobody cares that matters. I was posting links from across the pond in the early hours from unhappy NYCFC fans (but they can't be real fans, because they don't exist because the club doesn't exist and they weren't at "York away" blah, blah, blah) and I was getting grief because this is a City board and why should we care, this was posted in my direction....
And here we are, god knows how many pages later, still discussing it and while most posts are still "f**k em and forget em" there are those, while happy Frank is staying, and I'm one of them I'm very happy, think something has been lost. I'm not talking about 90% of the media deliberately muddying the waters, babbling on about FFP, sharp practice and Maureens bleating's, all cobbled together in an incomprehensible mish mash to throw mud at City, that was always going to happen, I'm talking about what the Group was supposed to be as a business and what we are as City fans.
Little by little we're becoming something we said we'd never be, we’d never be like the rags, but on this board and in the stands at the Leicester game, a game we barely won (thank you Frank), sections of the crowd were taunting the Leicester fans with chants about them going down, and before anyone says that's football, a number of older fans (and I'm one of them) standing round me were unhappy, realizing that not long ago that was us.
City sit at the top of a very powerful family table and we always get the best cuts, when push comes to shove our interests are paramount, so when we deprive a junior member of the family a treat they were expecting, we can do it in a callous way, telling them they should be grateful for what they've got, or we can do it with a bit of consideration. I'm sure at a business level the City group are doing just that, there'll be some "you can't have this but you can have that" announcement I'm sure, I just wish fans, our fans, could be just a little more generous of spirit, less mean and less like the fans we said we’d never be.
One of the NYCFC fans posted on their board that he wanted City fans to chant NYCFC at Frank when we play Sunderland today, that's so naive, it's never going to happen, but you know, I like the idea that he thought we might.
I hear that's bad.
Secondly, "less like the fans we said we'd never be", when exactly did we say all this? I must have missed the initiation ceremony (perhaps myself and GDM weren't invited as it was for real, working class fan etc.
I have never claimed anything. I have always just been "for City" and usually anyone that might stop Utd winning the league in any given year. I don't get this whole "whiter than white" thing that many City fans feel they should aspire to. It's football, and it is a business and it is about winning as many games as you can and having a laugh along the way. I have also been going to City for 25 years and we have always sung about going down. I remember one game when we sang "going down going down going down" (though I can't remember the opposition, and they replied with "so are we so are we so are we". So let's not take the revisionism too far down that road.
I was startled, yes, it was very bad, I had to stop knitting my yoghurt and take a heavy sip of my camomile tea.
Oh yes!! Lets play who's more working class that's good game, I bid my terrace slum in Lower Broughton to your??...Oh please, get real
As for the rest of your post, I can only assume you're still pissed. Chanting you're going down to a team that probably will when your own team is in the shitter is not the same as chanting it when you're Champions, or maybe that's too middle class of me.
This is football, red in tooth and claw, all the time, unrelenting, other teams can f**k right off, you're right, I think we should dive at every opportunity, we should have a loud mouth bombastic manager, or one who shouts profanities at other managers on the touchline, I think the club should maximise its profits with executive boxes at every level and that ticket prices should be at the highest the market will allow.
I think we should use every trick in the book, every underhand method imaginable to get to the top and stay there...F**k it, I think we should just up stumps and move the whole f**ckin thing to West London and get a better demographic, I'm sick of the smell of all those unwashed bodies in the Colin Bell stand.
You're a piece of work.
Luckily you're very much in the minority.
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Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
Apologies.
Just demonstrates my level of disinterest.
moomba said:DenisLawBackHeel74 said:As others have said, fat frank will only miss 6 to 8 weeks of the MLS season
11 weeks minimum, and thats if he goes straight to NY after our season ends.
The debate is still going on because it has taken until now for the clubs to provide clarification on Lampards future beyond 2014.
Apologies.
Just demonstrates my level of disinterest.
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Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
But clearly right.
SWP's back said:You're a handwringing old git that just created a huge strawman as you have no point.The perfect fumble said:SWP's back said:Were you startled?
I hear that's bad.
Secondly, "less like the fans we said we'd never be", when exactly did we say all this? I must have missed the initiation ceremony (perhaps myself and GDM weren't invited as it was for real, working class fan etc.
I have never claimed anything. I have always just been "for City" and usually anyone that might stop Utd winning the league in any given year. I don't get this whole "whiter than white" thing that many City fans feel they should aspire to. It's football, and it is a business and it is about winning as many games as you can and having a laugh along the way. I have also been going to City for 25 years and we have always sung about going down. I remember one game when we sang "going down going down going down" (though I can't remember the opposition, and they replied with "so are we so are we so are we". So let's not take the revisionism too far down that road.
I was startled, yes, it was very bad, I had to stop knitting my yoghurt and take a heavy sip of my camomile tea.
Oh yes!! Lets play who's more working class that's good game, I bid my terrace slum in Lower Broughton to your??...Oh please, get real
As for the rest of your post, I can only assume you're still pissed. Chanting you're going down to a team that probably will when your own team is in the shitter is not the same as chanting it when you're Champions, or maybe that's too middle class of me.
This is football, red in tooth and claw, all the time, unrelenting, other teams can f**k right off, you're right, I think we should dive at every opportunity, we should have a loud mouth bombastic manager, or one who shouts profanities at other managers on the touchline, I think the club should maximise its profits with executive boxes at every level and that ticket prices should be at the highest the market will allow.
I think we should use every trick in the book, every underhand method imaginable to get to the top and stay there...F**k it, I think we should just up stumps and move the whole f**ckin thing to West London and get a better demographic, I'm sick of the smell of all those unwashed bodies in the Colin Bell stand.
You're a piece of work.
Luckily you're very much in the minority.
But clearly right.
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
The Group is doing exactly what it was always intended to be as a Group. You just didn't know what that was an built lofty ambitions of New York being this thriving club who City would help build from scratch with little regards to themselves. That isn't what the Group is, not what it was designed to be and not what it ever will be.
There two clear pieces of bullshit here. I'll start with the second one - City have sung "you're going down" at teams for years, I recall us singing it at Swindon and that must have been about 20 years ago. I'm sure numerous other people have numerous other stories about it, this isn't a change.
Now on to the bigger one. On the internet and in debates in general, there is a very common rule known as Godwin's Law; a simple view is that as any discussion goes on then the likelihood of comparisons to Hitler or Nazism from one side is raised significantly. A more thorough explanation of this is about the usage of hyperbole and inappropriate comparison for people who have nowhere else to go because their point of contention doesn't stand strong enough on its own and instead they have to resort to almost a shock tactic in comparison. By comparing something to the Nazis you automatically shape that person's point, and even the person themselves in man cases, with the brush of Nazi ideals. Some could argue that it's a form of ad hominem though perhaps not explicit enough to warrant it.
Either way, the point is that Godwin's Law refers in most cases to people who now have nowhere else to go that is sensible so instead attempt the ludicrous with the idea that it can close down the debate without them having to reevaluate their position.
City fans use this almost every day on here, so much so that I'm declaring Damwin's Law states that the more longer the thread on here the more likely the sentence "we used to hate the rags for this" will be used. Notice that moomba, EalingBlue and perfectfumble have all used this sentence or a variation of it in the last 15 pages. Notice also that they have all used it once every other point of their was summarily dismissed; this wasn't their opening gambit because it isn't something they are legitimately thinking, instead it's just a throw of desperation. The comparison to the rags is the last refuge of a drowning man surrounded by nothing but sea. Every time I see it now I almost enjoy it because you can translate it into "please stop showing my points to be bollocks so I can leave this argument with some scrap of dignity intact"
That's not what they actually said though is it?
They said "if you want to earn our respect you'll look after us and chant against Lampard. Nobody wants to earn NYCFC's "respect" because you have to have some respect to give to somebody. They are the laughing stock of the football world and the idea that we'd chant against our own team for them shows exactly what they think football fandom is about and their incredibly self-absorbed attitude.
They think we need to earn their respect. Bless.
The perfect fumble said:And here we are, god knows how many pages later, still discussing it and while most posts are still "f**k em and forget em" there are those, while happy Frank is staying, and I'm one of them I'm very happy, think something has been lost. I'm not talking about 90% of the media deliberately muddying the waters, babbling on about FFP, sharp practice and Maureens bleating's, all cobbled together in an incomprehensible mish mash to throw mud at City, that was always going to happen, I'm talking about what the Group was supposed to be as a business and what we are as City fans.
The Group is doing exactly what it was always intended to be as a Group. You just didn't know what that was an built lofty ambitions of New York being this thriving club who City would help build from scratch with little regards to themselves. That isn't what the Group is, not what it was designed to be and not what it ever will be.
Little by little we're becoming something we said we'd never be, we’d never be like the rags, but on this board and in the stands at the Leicester game, a game we barely won (thank you Frank), sections of the crowd were taunting the Leicester fans with chants about them going down, and before anyone says that's football, a number of older fans (and I'm one of them) standing round me were unhappy, realizing that not long ago that was us.
There two clear pieces of bullshit here. I'll start with the second one - City have sung "you're going down" at teams for years, I recall us singing it at Swindon and that must have been about 20 years ago. I'm sure numerous other people have numerous other stories about it, this isn't a change.
Now on to the bigger one. On the internet and in debates in general, there is a very common rule known as Godwin's Law; a simple view is that as any discussion goes on then the likelihood of comparisons to Hitler or Nazism from one side is raised significantly. A more thorough explanation of this is about the usage of hyperbole and inappropriate comparison for people who have nowhere else to go because their point of contention doesn't stand strong enough on its own and instead they have to resort to almost a shock tactic in comparison. By comparing something to the Nazis you automatically shape that person's point, and even the person themselves in man cases, with the brush of Nazi ideals. Some could argue that it's a form of ad hominem though perhaps not explicit enough to warrant it.
Either way, the point is that Godwin's Law refers in most cases to people who now have nowhere else to go that is sensible so instead attempt the ludicrous with the idea that it can close down the debate without them having to reevaluate their position.
City fans use this almost every day on here, so much so that I'm declaring Damwin's Law states that the more longer the thread on here the more likely the sentence "we used to hate the rags for this" will be used. Notice that moomba, EalingBlue and perfectfumble have all used this sentence or a variation of it in the last 15 pages. Notice also that they have all used it once every other point of their was summarily dismissed; this wasn't their opening gambit because it isn't something they are legitimately thinking, instead it's just a throw of desperation. The comparison to the rags is the last refuge of a drowning man surrounded by nothing but sea. Every time I see it now I almost enjoy it because you can translate it into "please stop showing my points to be bollocks so I can leave this argument with some scrap of dignity intact"
One of the NYCFC fans posted on their board that he wanted City fans to chant NYCFC at Frank when we play Sunderland today, that's so naive, it's never going to happen, but you know, I like the idea that he thought we might.
That's not what they actually said though is it?
They said "if you want to earn our respect you'll look after us and chant against Lampard. Nobody wants to earn NYCFC's "respect" because you have to have some respect to give to somebody. They are the laughing stock of the football world and the idea that we'd chant against our own team for them shows exactly what they think football fandom is about and their incredibly self-absorbed attitude.
They think we need to earn their respect. Bless.
Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
If it really is a case of Lampard always having been our player then NYCFC fans are merely acting like spoiled brats who are annoyed at having to wait until Christmas for Santa to bring them their shiny new toy, that they've done fuck all to deserve.
If it really is a case of Lampard always having been our player then NYCFC fans are merely acting like spoiled brats who are annoyed at having to wait until Christmas for Santa to bring them their shiny new toy, that they've done fuck all to deserve.
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I think you're clearly wrong, as do the majority and the management team. So there.
Well that's a great way to debate.The perfect fumble said:SWP's back said:You're a handwringing old git that just created a huge strawman as you have no point.The perfect fumble said:I was startled, yes, it was very bad, I had to stop knitting my yoghurt and take a heavy sip of my camomile tea.
Oh yes!! Lets play who's more working class that's good game, I bid my terrace slum in Lower Broughton to your??...Oh please, get real
As for the rest of your post, I can only assume you're still pissed. Chanting you're going down to a team that probably will when your own team is in the shitter is not the same as chanting it when you're Champions, or maybe that's too middle class of me.
This is football, red in tooth and claw, all the time, unrelenting, other teams can f**k right off, you're right, I think we should dive at every opportunity, we should have a loud mouth bombastic manager, or one who shouts profanities at other managers on the touchline, I think the club should maximise its profits with executive boxes at every level and that ticket prices should be at the highest the market will allow.
I think we should use every trick in the book, every underhand method imaginable to get to the top and stay there...F**k it, I think we should just up stumps and move the whole f**ckin thing to West London and get a better demographic, I'm sick of the smell of all those unwashed bodies in the Colin Bell stand.
You're a piece of work.
Luckily you're very much in the minority.
But clearly right.
I think you're clearly wrong, as do the majority and the management team. So there.
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Re: Frank Lampard (staying until end of season confirmed P11
Damocles just knocked it out of the park.
Damocles just knocked it out of the park.
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Taking lesson from you on how to debate?
You're such a brick, thanks for the laugh, much appreciated.
SWP's back said:Well that's a great way to debate.The perfect fumble said:SWP's back said:You're a handwringing old git that just created a huge strawman as you have no point.
Luckily you're very much in the minority.
But clearly right.
I think you're clearly wrong, as do the majority and the management team. So there.
Taking lesson from you on how to debate?
You're such a brick, thanks for the laugh, much appreciated.
CheethamHillBlue
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Might have been better locking the fookin thread. I was genuinely waiting for one of yous to utter "My dads bigger than your dad"
Lampards just scored to make it 3-2 against Sunlun.
Thank God he stayed...whoever's decision it was.
SWP's back said:Damocles just knocked it out of the park.
Might have been better locking the fookin thread. I was genuinely waiting for one of yous to utter "My dads bigger than your dad"
Lampards just scored to make it 3-2 against Sunlun.
Thank God he stayed...whoever's decision it was.