Player topic : Yaya Toure (2015/16)

[OB1]

You think he'll be happy sat on the bench every other week? It's the perfect scenario for us but I just can't see it.

Depends what he wants and how accepting he is of the effects of aging. Might also depend on how much he puts cash before club: even City cannot justify paying a bit part player £200k a week.

 

[cleavers]

You think he'll be happy sat on the bench every other week? It's the perfect scenario for us but I just can't see it.

I guess that depends on how the idea is sold to him, if he's given Vieira as an example, and included as some sort of experienced 'father' figure, it just might appeal to him, he can also be used elsewhere within the club to good effect in a similar role. Having a player of his experience around the club especially our academy, can only be good in my opinion, playing, coaching, or like Vieira, learning the ins and outs of football for his own future.

It might not appeal to his agent however.

 

[Machiavelli]

Neither am I, his role will be reduced anyway as he ages, but I think it will also be revised, most good technical players don't lose it, they just lose their legs, but they can still do the good stuff (see Gareth Barry today for Everton), Yaya reads the game too well to be just dismissed, he'll just be used less, and he provides options going both ways, whether we need something late on, or need experience to close a game out.



Even though its off topic, quite correct, and all those you named are spot on, he even brought a faded Scholes back because they were in the shit, and he did nothing much to help their cause. The whole irony is that he f**ked united up more than Moyes or LVG will ever do, and their muppet supporters will never accept it.

Sorry for the off topic but it grinds my gears when that bitter twat gets credit for urban myths. He always said nobody was bigger than the club but left off the bit about him, or more importantly his ego.
Obviously every club faces the dilemma of great players fading with old age and deciding the best action to take with their diminishing role within the team/squad. Toure is no different he is approaching his swan song but I'm sure the club will already be doing the groundwork to bring in someone who could take Yaya's place, maybe Pogba who could be a colossus for us in the same way Yaya has?
He won't replace Yaya though, he's a one off. I can't think of any player I've seen through the years who even comes close to what I've seen Yaya do in a City shirt.
I'm going to enjoy him whilst he's here because we will all miss him when he's gone.

 

[cleavers]

Sorry for the off topic but it grinds my gears when that bitter twat gets credit for urban myths.

The point was relevant anyway.

Obviously every club faces the dilemma of great players fading with old age and deciding the best action to take with their diminishing role within the team/squad. Toure is no different he is approaching his swan song but I'm sure the club will already be doing the groundwork to bring in someone who could take Yaya's place, maybe Pogba who could be a colossus for us in the same way Yaya has?
He won't replace Yaya though, he's a one off. I can't think of any player I've seen through the years who even comes close to what I've seen Yaya do in a City shirt.
I'm going to enjoy him whilst he's here because we will all miss him when he's gone.

I agree with all of that, but he's a person who likes to feel valued, so I rather hope we can sell to him, that if he wants a future in football, he can have an important one with us, people he already knows.

 

[Machiavelli]

The point was relevant anyway.


I agree with all of that, but he's a person who likes to feel valued, so I rather hope we can sell to him, that if he wants a future in football, he can have an important one with us, people he already knows.

I agree mate. I would love the club to use his influence in some sort of role within the CFG, maybe in Africa?
I'm not sure if his agent might sway him away from the club for one last pay day before he finally calls time on his career?
Has anyone mooted a move to NYC?, I'm not sure how feasible that would be?

 

[EalingBlue2]

You can be sarcastic but a narrative was set by a couple of pundits - mainly Carragher - which was then repeated enough times for it to become accepted fact by not only other pundits and journalists (who I was actually mainly referring to) but our own fans as well.

In the Arsenal analysis Carragher actually blamed Yaya for not marking Ozil for the goal when mangala had just given the ball away. He quite rightly should have been nowhere near Ozil as we had the ball and he can't legislate for us giving it away.

But Carragher uses it to lazily compound the myth that Yaya is lazy and people swallow it hook, line and sinker.

Yaya isn't immune from criticism and he does have his faults but this idea that's he's lazy is just complete and utter bollocks.

Given all he has achieved in his career - that's before we even get onto what he has done for City (and continues to do - see yesterday) - then he deserves a bit more respect than being branded as lazy.

Great post and very true, not just Carragher a few in the written media continue to perpetuate the lazy myth. The other one which African footballers always geT is the mercenary tag about only being on it for the money. beckham went to LA and it was about being a pioneer and lifestyle, Di Maria went to United (giving up on UCL and top football) and it was ambition by United. Yet Yaya is at City just for money and eto'o did everything just for money. The fact is people can think for themselves but when myths are perpetuated and repeated they do stick and people do lazily repeat them. As mentioned before a lot of blues called Yaya lazy against Leicester when passing, tackling, distance and every other measure he matched up against any city player favourably. So people are perpetuating the lazy thing even when it is factually incorrect. You have been called patronising for this view but it is true . But you can be patronising, condescending and still correct.

 

[EalingBlue2]

@EalingBlue2; you shouldn't let anyone bully you into apologizing about a fair statement... as i mentioned b4 one the guys on the bluemoon podcast made a point on discussing that same issue about african players and the lazy label... i detest keyboard tough guys... report the abusive posts and keep up your sensible reasoning... cheers.

I didn't feel bullied and to be fair I will always give the benefit of the doubt! I apologised if it was felt I had Called someone racist and apologised if I had done so on a quoted reply when I was making a general comment. Most of us don't want rows on here as its a great board and we have a lot to thank Ric for so I reckon it best to take things at face value and say sorry if it's fair. I am honest enough to know I usually am posting on here on the mobile whilst doing 3 other things so don't always take time on posts or Come across as Cleary as I could. Let's leave it at that.

I genuinely don't think it is race either as a lot of French and Belgian footbAllers born African but naturalised in Europe are treated quite differently. I guess it is a lazy stereotype like skilful Brazilians, thick English, etc

It started before he even signed with people like Reade

 

[evianglass]

I didn't feel bullied and to be fair I will always give the benefit of the doubt! I apologised if it was felt I had Called someone racist and apologised if I had done so on a quoted reply when I was making a general comment. Most of us don't want rows on here as its a great board and we have a lot to thank Ric for so I reckon it best to take things at face value and say sorry if it's fair. I am honest enough to know I usually am posting on here on the mobile whilst doing 3 other things so don't always take time on posts or Come across as Cleary as I could. Let's leave it at that.

I genuinely don't think it is race either as a lot of French and Belgian footbAllers born African but naturalised in Europe are treated quite differently. I guess it is a lazy stereotype like skilful Brazilians, thick English, etc

It started before he even signed with people like Reade

+1
admirable... and i mean that...

 

[EalingBlue2]

He's a luxury player these days. But what a luxury!

He needs others to do the running for him and has undoubtedly lost a yard of pace. I thought he was poor overall yesterday and awful against Arsenal until the last 15 mins.

The decision we have to make is whether his match winning ability is worth carrying him as a passenger for long periods. I think the only way to get the best out of him is playing Fernadinho, Fernando and Delph behind him. That would mean sacrificing two of Silva, KDB and Sterling. How can we justify that?

If Pep comes in Yaya is a gonner. Been one of the most significant players in a successful era but you have to move on at the right time. One of GPC's great strengths was knowing when a star's time was up.

I reckon Pep will play him centre back, his positioning , passing, aerial ability etc would make him a good option. Barca never had the fastest centre backs and alongside the right player he could do a job.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Neither am I, his role will be reduced anyway as he ages, but I think it will also be revised, most good technical players don't lose it, they just lose their legs, but they can still do the good stuff (see Gareth Barry today for Everton), Yaya reads the game too well to be just dismissed, he'll just be used less, and he provides options going both ways, whether we need something late on, or need experience to close a game out.



Even though its off topic, quite correct, and all those you named are spot on, he even brought a faded Scholes back because they were in the shit, and he did nothing much to help their cause. The whole irony is that he f**ked united up more than Moyes or LVG will ever do, and their muppet supporters will never accept it.

He fucked them up big time but only after he brought them the most successful period they will ever have or will ever have. I reckon most fans would accept a few years in the wilderness for those trophies. He fucked them up twice before but he had the ability to rebuild the team and the credit in the bank to do so, thankfully this time he fucked them up more than the other times as it wasn't his problem and he then fucked them up even more by ensuring they got in coaches not up to the task meaning the fix will now take years.

I only wish they had fired the miserable twat in 1990 and the fucking up had happened 20 odd years earlier.

Anyway back to Yaya being lazy? 60 games most seasons including CDI , hardly injured at the heart of everything we do, he is anything but lazy in fact apart from a couple of players namely Ferna, the full backs and navas he is probably our least lazy player.

Agree that hart is the player I most fear being injured as his back up is so much less good, but I would find it easier to replace him than Yaya