Player topic : Yaya Toure (2015/16)

[BigOscar]

You can't build a team around fitting him in if he's not going to contribute anything. He got a free role and did absolutely nothing with it, just a few lazy shots from miles out that were never going to go in. He honestly doesn't look like he gives a fuck, he's playing with so little enthusiasm or urgency

 

[stony]

not the problem tonight.

Yes he was, because we had to accommodate him we had our most creative player out wide and starved of the ball. He should have been on the bench with KDB playing where he plays best and Sterling playing where he plays best, out on the left.
Did you see the attention Sterling got when he came on? Two or three players surrounding him straight away. If that had been happening from the start with KDB providing passes for Aguero the result might have been different.

Best outfield player tonight but we'll no doubt have utterly clueless fools attacking him as usual.

Nowhere fucking near. Our best player was inexplicably hauled off so Delph could come on.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Fernadinho misses a fucking sitter (set up by Toure) he has a blinder apparently.

Sterling couldn't hit a fucking 50 foot long wall from 5 yards away.

De bruyne is a shithouse at defending

Ottamendi has a mare

Fernando offers zero

Navas offers even less.

Who get the blame....Toure.

 

[jon stakes]

Fernadinho misses a fucking sitter (set up by Toure) he has a blinder apparently.

Sterling couldn't hit a fucking 50 foot long wall from 5 yards away.

De bruyne is a shithouse at defending

Ottamendi has a mare

Fernando offers zero

Navas offers even less.

Who get the blame....Toure.

Couldn't say it any better.
Some ManCity pseudofans have an irrational bone to pick with Yaya. Objective data says he did well like whoscored (highly rating of all midfielders / attackers) or goal.com:

• 42Y. Touré
  Carried a great threat for the visitors and notably went close with an attempt at a 25-yard lob.
  

 

[stablemcfc]

Fernadinho misses a fucking sitter (set up by Toure) he has a blinder apparently.

Sterling couldn't hit a fucking 50 foot long wall from 5 yards away.

De bruyne is a shithouse at defending

Ottamendi has a mare

Fernando offers zero

Navas offers even less.

Who get the blame....Toure.

Couldn't say it any better.
Some ManCity pseudofans have an irrational bone to pick with Yaya. Objective data says he did well like whoscored (highly rating of all midfielders / attackers) or goal.com:

• 42Y. Touré
  Carried a great threat for the visitors and notably went close with an attempt at a 25-yard lob.

Ignore the "he's shite & lazy" posts and have a look at the more reasonable ones.

Pellegrini is building our teams around accommodating him in the starting line up. He wasn't the problem in terms of performance tonight no, but by playing him we have to play 2 more midfielders (DM & CM) to cover for his statue impersonations when we're not on the ball - this leads to (a) us having to drop an attacker (Sterling today) & (b) our most dangerous player being shoved out wide & out of the game (KdB or Silva).

Do you think Yaya/Fernandinho are better than Silva/KdB from the attacking midfield position? Because that's who they're replacing in this formation.
Do you think KdB is better on the left wing than the middle? Because that's where he gets pushed in this formation.
Do you think Sterling carries so little threat that he should be on the bench? Because that's where he was tonight due to this formation.
Do you not think that a 2 out of Fernando/Fernandinho/Delph in CM would have enough legs in midfield? Because that's the alternative, with all our front 4 in their favoured positions.

Personally don't like having square pegs in round holes & a disjointed line up just to make space for one player who isn't even our best player/performer.

If you disagree with my points then fair enough, but to me it's hard to fit Yaya into our starting 11 for a lot of the "tougher" matches nowadays without it being more detrimental than beneficial.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Ignore the "he's shite & lazy" posts and have a look at the more reasonable ones.

Pellegrini is building our teams around accommodating him in the starting line up. He wasn't the problem in terms of performance tonight no, but by playing him we have to play 2 more midfielders (DM & CM) to cover for his statue impersonations when we're not on the ball - this leads to (a) us having to drop an attacker (Sterling today) & (b) our most dangerous player being shoved out wide & out of the game (KdB or Silva).

Do you think Yaya/Fernandinho are better than Silva/KdB from the attacking midfield position? Because that's who they're replacing in this formation.
Do you think KdB is better on the left wing than the middle? Because that's where he gets pushed in this formation.
Do you think Sterling carries so little threat that he should be on the bench? Because that's where he was tonight due to this formation.
Do you not think that a 2 out of Fernando/Fernandinho/Delph in CM would have enough legs in midfield? Because that's the alternative, with all our front 4 in their favoured positions.

Personally don't like having square pegs in round holes & a disjointed line up just to make space for one player who isn't even our best player/performer.

If you disagree with my points then fair enough, but to me it's hard to fit Yaya into our starting 11 for a lot of the "tougher" matches nowadays without it being more detrimental than beneficial.

So it's surely Pellegrini's fault then?

 

[RandomJ]

Ignore the "he's shite & lazy" posts and have a look at the more reasonable ones.

Pellegrini is building our teams around accommodating him in the starting line up. He wasn't the problem in terms of performance tonight no, but by playing him we have to play 2 more midfielders (DM & CM) to cover for his statue impersonations when we're not on the ball - this leads to (a) us having to drop an attacker (Sterling today) & (b) our most dangerous player being shoved out wide & out of the game (KdB or Silva).

Do you think Yaya/Fernandinho are better than Silva/KdB from the attacking midfield position? Because that's who they're replacing in this formation.
Do you think KdB is better on the left wing than the middle? Because that's where he gets pushed in this formation.
Do you think Sterling carries so little threat that he should be on the bench? Because that's where he was tonight due to this formation.
Do you not think that a 2 out of Fernando/Fernandinho/Delph in CM would have enough legs in midfield? Because that's the alternative, with all our front 4 in their favoured positions.

Personally don't like having square pegs in round holes & a disjointed line up just to make space for one player who isn't even our best player/performer.

If you disagree with my points then fair enough, but to me it's hard to fit Yaya into our starting 11 for a lot of the "tougher" matches nowadays without it being more detrimental than beneficial.

100% spot on. I mean Silva has played the majority of his City career out of position just to accommodate Yaya. And that was fine when he was tearing up the league and had the legs and the hunger to succeed. But he isn't doing that anymore and our whole team is suffering because of it. He has been amazing for us over the years but it's time to get over the sentiment and realise he is no longer the player he was and he is hurting the entire team. It's time for him to go.

 

[ninjamonkey]

yaya's individual performance tonight wasn't the problem. He was decent tonight. it was the fact Pellegrini set the team up and sacrificed others to accommodate Yaya in that position. The way we set up was heavily reliant on yaya having an absolute stormer. he didn't. For me, it's incredibly harsh to blame yaya for that. It's something that is on the manager.

 

[ono]

Or just sign a deep lying playmaker and pack him off to New York.

Ignore the "he's shite & lazy" posts and have a look at the more reasonable ones.

Pellegrini is building our teams around accommodating him in the starting line up. He wasn't the problem in terms of performance tonight no, but by playing him we have to play 2 more midfielders (DM & CM) to cover for his statue impersonations when we're not on the ball - this leads to (a) us having to drop an attacker (Sterling today) & (b) our most dangerous player being shoved out wide & out of the game (KdB or Silva).

Do you think Yaya/Fernandinho are better than Silva/KdB from the attacking midfield position? Because that's who they're replacing in this formation.
Do you think KdB is better on the left wing than the middle? Because that's where he gets pushed in this formation.
Do you think Sterling carries so little threat that he should be on the bench? Because that's where he was tonight due to this formation.
Do you not think that a 2 out of Fernando/Fernandinho/Delph in CM would have enough legs in midfield? Because that's the alternative, with all our front 4 in their favoured positions.

Personally don't like having square pegs in round holes & a disjointed line up just to make space for one player who isn't even our best player/performer.

If you disagree with my points then fair enough, but to me it's hard to fit Yaya into our starting 11 for a lot of the "tougher" matches nowadays without it being more detrimental than beneficial.

That's a good post, but if Pellers had decided to go with a 2 man midfield with 'legs' we would have been up against a 3 man midfield which turns into a 5 man midfield when they have the ball - given they play wingbacks. On top of that, Delph isn't anywhere near the level of Pogba or Marchisio, or Fernandinho for that matter. Neither is Fernando.

 

[stablemcfc]

So it's surely Pellegrini's fault then?

If you want to interpret my post that way then sure, I do think Pellers has made a rod for his own back by seemingly making Yaya undroppable. There are plenty of games when Yaya will still be more of an asset than a liability - just the games when this isn't the case will hurt us I feel.

That's a good post, but if Pellers had decided to go with a 2 man midfield with 'legs' we would have been up against a 3 man midfield which turns into a 5 man midfield when they have the ball - given they play wingbacks. On top of that, Delph isn't anywhere near the level of Pogba or Marchisio, or Fernandinho for that matter. Neither is Fernando.

Fair argument for this specific match yes it may have been a struggle, I'd counter with did you see Yaya make any tackles? For me today Yaya & Dinho pushed so high in this formation with our slow build up & the space ahead not occupied that we actually ended up with just Fernando vs a couple of there guys numerous times with Dinho chasing back to help & Yaya staying up top - if we'd had a 2 of the guys mentioned the only difference I'd foresee is De Bruyne replacing Yaya as the guy not coming back to help.

The argument that Delph & Fernando aren't near the levels of Pogba or Marchisio is a separate one entirely for me, we should have 2 CM's of at least that quality - so if we don't then how do we expect to compete with teams that are significantly superior to Juve. (Yes it's obvious we need a CM in the summer).