Policing in America

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I understand your point I just don't really agree. Violent protest is a consequence of the failure of the US political system to bring about any change in policing, and of - let's call a spade a spade here - the insistence by police unions across the country that they have the absolute right to murder anyone they want with impunity. It's the police violence which has no place in a civilised society.

I'm not celebrating violent protest, I'm just saying that I understand why it happens, and I regard it as much much less of a problem than the state violence which causes it. Such protests possibly make the necessary change less likely, and when they cause physical harm to innocent people that's wrong, but the fury which motivates them is 100% legitimate and understandable. I mean really, how long do you expect people to wait?

Is violence necessary to bring about change? What did Martin Luther King say about this? Or Gandhi? Or any number of activists advocating peaceful protest.

Just how far do you go?

Was the IRA justified in its violent protests? What about the PLA? - likely you don't condone this level of violence.

And yet, the random destruction of property - looting - and violence - is OK? This is the path to anarchy.

Peaceful, but forceful protest is the way to proceed.

Police conduct in the USA is abhorrent and needs to be met with forceful opposition - I draw the line at burning, looting, and other violent acts - hurting random individuals who have nothing whatsoever to do with police behavior.

 

[domalino]

Talk on twitter (yes, I know) that there may have been history between Nichols and one of the officers, specifically him having an affair with the wife of the officer. Whether it's true or not, it sure as hell doesn't warrant getting beaten to death. Those officers need the book throwing at them.

These rumours come out after every police murder.

Social media and RW news also got flooded with theories that Derek Chauvin and George Floyd had history.

They said Ahmed Aubrey robbed the McMichaels in the past or looked like the robber.

Almost always it turns out to be not true, or so incremental neither of the parties involved knew about the connection before.

IMO it’s part some people looking for excuses and part others looking for a way to explain something so senseless.

 

[domalino]

Is violence necessary to bring about change? What did Martin Luther King say about this? Or Gandhi? Or any number of activists advocating peaceful protest.

Just how far do you go?

Was the IRA justified in its violent protests? What about the PLA? - likely you don't condone this level of violence.

And yet, the random destruction of property - looting - and violence - is OK? This is the path to anarchy.

Peaceful, but forceful protest is the way to proceed.

Police conduct in the USA is abhorrent and needs to be met with forceful opposition - I draw the line at burning, looting, and other violent acts - hurting random individuals who have nothing whatsoever to do with police behavior.

Did you really just try to call mass murder and terrorist bombings “violent protests” in order to liken them to some cars getting smashed up or a Target getting its windows broken when 1% of a protest boils over?

One of the dumbest slippery slope fallacies I’ve ever heard.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Did you really just try to call mass murder and terrorist bombings “violent protests”?

One of the dumbest slippery slope fallacies I’ve ever heard.

You are an anarchist - witness your previous posts on this subject.

Perhaps you don't condone murder - but A-OK to burn cars, loot stores - hell, anything short of murder. These too are completely unnecessary, violent, criminal acts that hurt innocent individuals - most of these acts aren't even protests per se - but criminals acting under cover of protest. But you're OK with that.

It's OK to burn down the mom-and-pop store, struggling to make a living - it's OK to steal from the store-owner immigrant - newly arrived to the USA. All of this is OK per your previous posts.

This conduct is not OK - it's criminal. Those engaging in such acts should be jailed.

The vast majority of protesters do not engage in these criminal acts. Most protesters are rightly outraged, but law abiding citizens - and they have every right to peaceful protest.

 

[domalino]

You are an anarchist - witness your previous posts on this subject.

Perhaps you don't condone murder - but A-OK to burn cars, loot stores - hell, anything short of murder. These too are completely unnecessary, violent protests - most of which aren't even protests per se - but criminals acting under cover of protest. But you're OK with that.

Your arguments and attitude belong in the 1960s.

Fortunately someone much better than me already took them apart back then.

A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.​

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[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

Your arguments and attitude belong in the 1960s.

Fortunately someone much better than me already took them apart back then.

A riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice, equality, and humanity. And so in a real sense our nation's summers of riots are caused by our nation's winters of delay. And as long as America postpones justice, we stand in the position of having these recurrences of violence and riots over and over again.​

As I said - you're an anarchist. Rule of law means nothing at all to you - strange that you draw the line at murder - as wanton destruction of property, financially injuring random individuals who have nothing at all to do with police misconduct is 100% endorsed by you.

 

[domalino]

As I said - you're an anarchist - strange that you draw the line at murder - as wanton destruction of property injuring random individuals who have nothing at all to do with police conduct is right up your ally.

I doubt you even know what the word really means.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

I doubt you even know what the word really means.

You don't believe in the rule of law. You're an anarchist. OK to loot, steal and vandalize - all in the name of any worthwhile cause - injuring innocents.

To hammer this point home to you - let's suppose that you live in the USA.

Then, by your perverse sense of justice, it's perfectly OK for a mob to break into your home, steal everything you own, and then set fire to your house and cars, leaving you with nothing - because they're protesting police violence.

You'll soon find out that your insurance won't cover any of these costs. You're screwed - your savings have vanished and you have no recourse.

This discussion is getting pointless though - so I'm ignoring you - you'd be well to do the same to me.

 

[domalino]

You don't believe in the rule of law. You're an anarchist.

This discussion is getting pointless though - so I'm ignoring you - you'd be well to do the same to me.

Shame, not often I speak to an American who think the founding fathers were anarchists who should have been executed for treason.

 

[BayernMan]