Policing in the UK

[Mr Kobayashi]

Yeah, it’s a pointless avenue to go down. Guess nobody is innocent, just that someone has decided there isn’t enough evidence to be convicted of murder.

Millions of decisions are made like this every year. Whether you deem the kick justifiable or not is moot.

It's not. In fact the CPS own guidance for householders defending themselves makes reference to people hitting and kicking unconscious intruders as something that would likely be construed as grossly disproportionate.

Nobody is ever found innocent are they?

NFA just means NFA.

 

[Alan Harper's Tash]

It's not. In fact the CPS own guidance for householders defending themselves makes reference to people hitting and kicking unconscious intruders as something that would likely be construed as grossly disproportionate.

Nobody is ever found innocent are they?

NFA just means NFA.

I’ll leave you two fellas to nitpick. It’s not worth my time.

 

[bert38]

Hardly. Is kicking someone's head then stamping on his head not wrong? It's only because he's a police officer that he's not been charged. The disproportionate defence wouldn't work if this was a pub fight.

You’re questioning the decision of the CPS who have clearly stated that they sought expert opinion on use of force and police (firearms) training.

This was a vicious attack on the police by violent thugs.

The risk of those thugs overpowering those officers and taking a firearm from them was a real risk-they had to be stopped. The decision taken by that officer was subjective-he decided that his actions were necessary and proportionate in the circumstances-neither had been restrained at that point. He stopped them both.

The officer has been refused charge, unrealistic prospect of conviction-it means he has not committed a crime in the eyes of the law.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

You’re questioning the decision of the CPS who have clearly stated that they sought expert opinion on use of force and police (firearms) training.

This was a vicious attack on the police by violent thugs.

The risk of those thugs overpowering those officers and taking a firearm from them was a real risk-they had to be stopped. The decision taken by that officer was subjective-he decided that his actions were necessary and proportionate in the circumstances-neither had been restrained at that point. He stopped them both.

The officer has been refused charge, unrealistic prospect of conviction-it means he has not committed a crime in the eyes of the law.

Some fools don’t know that the police can batter you quite legitimately if circumstances dictate. This was one of those times.

 

[Vic]

You’re questioning the decision of the CPS who have clearly stated that they sought expert opinion on use of force and police (firearms) training.

This was a vicious attack on the police by violent thugs.

The risk of those thugs overpowering those officers and taking a firearm from them was a real risk-they had to be stopped. The decision taken by that officer was subjective-he decided that his actions were necessary and proportionate in the circumstances-neither had been restrained at that point. He stopped them both.

The officer has been refused charge, unrealistic prospect of conviction-it means he has not committed a crime in the eyes of the law.

Seriously, did your training in use of force include "Once incapacitated by being tasered, and lying motionless on the ground, a suspect may be kicked in the head" rather than "a suspect should be restrained as soon as possible"?

If that's expert opinion, I'd get another opinion. Or rather, I'd be interested in what the "expert reports and other material related to police use of force" actually say. If it's simply based on a reluctance of juries to convict police using unreasonable force when dealing with "thugs", that's one thing - if it's expert opinion on how police should behave, that's worrying.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Law and order will become a big problem unless it's nipped on the bus now.

Feral behaviour is currently in the minority but it's still there and will grow as the generation below follows. It needs nipping in the bud.