Policing in the UK

The police do a VERY difficult job. That said, they don't often help themselves, and it does tend to attract a certain type of person to the profession.

What they need is a better recruitment strategy, and better screening of candidates. It needs a full shake up culturally also. No more of this 'closing ranks' when the shit hits the fan.

I would also look at restructuring and strengthening the CPS so that officers can feel confident that the criminals they arrest will actually face justice for their crimes. Otherwise, they are essentially doing their job with one hand tied behind their backs.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
The police do a VERY difficult job. That said, they don't often help themselves, and it does tend to attract a certain type of person to the profession.

What they need is a better recruitment strategy, and better screening of candidates. It needs a full shake up culturally also. No more of this 'closing ranks' when the shit hits the fan.

I would also look at restructuring and strengthening the CPS so that officers can feel confident that the criminals they arrest will actually face justice for their crimes. Otherwise, they are essentially doing their job with one hand tied behind their backs.
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I could agree with all that mate, the last bit in particular it must be disheartening to see criminals constantly getting off.

The police have no bearing on my life because they are nigh on invisible, that needs sorting too.
 
I thought Kay Burley handed Mark Rowley how’s arse on a plate this morning. There is absolutely no way that he is the person to deliver change at the Met - another appointment who’s steeped in the existing culture with no understanding of the depth of the problem. He looked utterly clueless.
 
mexico1970 said:
And how do you do that? And who is the arbiter of whether or not that has been achieved?

Honestly I think that some people are living in Balamory and not the real world.
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I think it probably does need to be split into different organisations to (a) make the organisational change more achievable (b) let different aspects of policing reform/change at a speed and in a fashion that works best for them and the public.

I think the other part which is probably the hardest, is find credible leaders who can build and lead a team to make the changes. In addition to restoring public trust they also need to keep the politicians from meddling for political gain. Its hard to think that Mark Rowley and Lynne Owens are able to do this having been part of the existing culture themselves.

It's going to be incredibly difficult and take time and money but a situation where the people withdraw their consent to be policed will cost us so much more so we have to face into it.

Edit: The points about the CPS and broader judicial system are relevant too but it goes beyond that. Too many different types of professionals including the police are spending their time doing work that should be being done by the social care sector but which isn't because the funding, resources and skills therein are inadequate. It's an interconnected system that needs end to end thinking about.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Let's get rid of the police then and let cunts like James O'Brien deal with law and order via his student protest approach. I'm sure the country will be sorted.
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Listening to his show

A lot of Ex and current Police calling in now sharing their experience with the institutionalised racism and misogyny that exists within the force - thanking O'Brien for getting their voices out

It's a force for good to have people like O'Brien help expose what's happened in the Police for a long time and it's the only way if we are to change the direction

really good informative listen
 
A report comes out saying the MET have failed women and children and people out here are still defending the police? Do they even need to clean their own boots if people will just lick them clean?
 
There's some really grim reading in that report.

-A Muslim officer having bacon put in his boots.​
-Sikh officer having his beard cut.​
-Minority officers overwhelmingly more likely to be disicplined.​
-Overt racism on the intranet not being punished.​
-A senior officer calling a suspect a N***** lover.​
-Racism towards officers with traveller communities.​
-Black plain clothes officers being repeatedly mistaken for suspects.​
-Black officers being asked for ID constantly inside their own stations.​
-Minority officers not getting promotions. Ones who do get promoted being told it's only because of their race.​
-Police officers given training in how to destroy WhatsApp and Facebook evidence if they might get investigated.​
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mexico1970 said:
And how do you do that? And who is the arbiter of whether or not that has been achieved?

Honestly I think that some people are living in Balamory and not the real world.
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You know how to do it. In the early 1970s the Met was seen as widely corrupt and people at the top tackled the issue. It’s called leadership. Today is no different.

I am unsure why ‘pretending’ it can’t be addressed is somehow living in the ‘real world’, or how allowing an inefficient and corrupt police force to continue is in the public interest. I would argue a decade of underfunding the police hasn’t helped either. Lack of resource impacts morale and allows rot to fester and spread. Weak leadership compounds the problem. These are issues that can be addressed.
 
threespires said:
I think it probably does need to be split into different organisations to (a) make the organisational change more achievable (b) let different aspects of policing reform/change at a speed and in a fashion that works best for them and the public.

I think the other part which is probably the hardest, is find credible leaders who can build and lead a team to make the changes. In addition to restoring public trust they also need to keep the politicians from meddling for political gain. Its hard to think that Mark Rowley and Lynne Owens are able to do this having been part of the existing culture themselves.

It's going to be incredibly difficult and take time and money but a situation where the people withdraw their consent to be policed will cost us so much more so we have to face into it.

Edit: The points about the CPS and broader judicial system are relevant too but it goes beyond that. Too many different types of professionals including the police are spending their time doing work that should be being done by the social care sector but which isn't because the funding, resources and skills therein are inadequate. It's an interconnected system that needs end to end thinking about.
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Again that is constructive advice and what appears to be solid constructive advice mate.

The biggest Elephant in the room is how do we begin to get the police forces to actually police, it feels like we haven't even got one at times.
 
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