Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

The Somali nurse has exactly the same chance as she/he had before. the nurse from France has less.

Slightly more chance actually, given the visa system previously given out. She wouldn’t have had much chance getting a tier one visa previously.

Regarding the French nurse, the point is to reduce numbers but make them more specific, so yes of course EU migrants have less chance.

 

[BobKowalski]

You have to have a salary paying £20,000 waiting to you, it doesn’t mean you have to be paid that now.

The idea is to get qualified people in, who will contribute a certain amount of taxes.

For the record, this a standard global policy for many, we (and many countries around the world, including in the EU now) already had the minimum salary policy for people coming from outside the EU.

The new system, is the first time in our history, that we haven’t favoured particular countries over others, even prior to the EU we favoured former colonies.

Now a nurse from Somalia has just as much chance as someone from France.

Well, I doubt it given France is next door and Somalia isn’t. The practical barriers to a Somalian nurse are likely to be higher than to a French nurse. I am quite happy though to make an immigration policy that gives help to a Somalian nurse to overcome any practical barriers.

In economic terms though our policy is stupid. All countries tend to have a more generous immigration policy with its neighbours to facilitate work, travel and living, because like trade, immigration is often local ie just under half of our immigration came from Europe and the rest from everywhere else.

With the former colonies you had economic and cultural ties which tended to push immigration, just as say France had with Algeria.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, I doubt it given France is next door and Somalia isn’t. The practical barriers to a Somalian nurse are likely to be higher than to a French nurse. I am quite happy though to make an immigration policy that gives help to a Somalian nurse to overcome any practical barriers.

In economic terms though our policy is stupid. All countries tend to have a more generous immigration policy with its neighbours to facilitate work, travel and living, because like trade, immigration is often local ie just under half of our immigration came from Europe and the rest from everywhere else.

With the former colonies you had economic and cultural ties which tended to push immigration, just as say France had with Algeria.

What are these practical barriers?

 

[BobKowalski]

Slightly more chance actually, given the visa system previously given out. She wouldn’t have had much chance getting a tier one visa previously.

Regarding the French nurse, the point is to reduce numbers but make them more specific, so yes of course EU migrants have less chance.

Which is dumb. Especially as the converse is true. We have less chance, which bizarrely no one seems to notice.

Immigration like trade is local. Putting barriers up. Dumb.

 

[stonerblue]

Slightly more chance actually, given the visa system previously given out. She wouldn’t have had much chance getting a tier one visa previously.

Regarding the French nurse, the point is to reduce numbers but make them more specific, so yes of course EU migrants have less chance.

She/he wouldn't get a tier 1 visa now.

Do these 'more specific' roles include, porters, cleaners, auxiliary staff, drivers, trainees etc?

What are these practical barriers?

Having a spare 2 grand.

 

[Vic]

Which is dumb. Especially as the converse is true. We have less chance, which bizarrely no one seems to notice.

Immigration like trade is local. Putting barriers up. Dumb.

It won't stop the exodus of UK medics to Australia.

 

[Vic]

Does changing mean it’s not fair nor sensible? The whole point of it is that changes can be made, that’s why it’s good.

I’m genuinely intrigued to see what you don’t like about it?

It's a disincentive to EU nurses coming here, most of whom will already speak English. We have chosen to make it less attractive for medical staff we need to come and work here.

 

[west didsblue]

It won't stop the exodus of UK medics to Australia.

Yep, the new restrictions we have put on ourselves won't make a huge amount of difference for highly skilled workers where there is a global demand for those skills. For everyone else it will be a bit shit though.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's a disincentive to EU nurses coming here, most of whom will already speak English. We have chosen to make it less attractive for medical staff we need to come and work here.

Not for those outside the EU and they will have to speak English to get a place here anyway.

 

[Vic]

I see there's already an increase in the seasonal workers allowed - but not enough say our farmers and food producers. We can't increase domestic food production with no-one to pick it, and imports will be dearer. Good work,chaps.