Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

It seems, going forward, that the profile of Brits in Spain will change from retired to working with an income stream. Sad that we have dashed the retirement dreams of the common man.

"We have traditionally been a community here of expats who are on average 50-plus. Last year it changed, and the average age was 45. If you come over in 12 months, it'll be more like an average age of 35.

If you're 70 or 80 years old and you don't understand this new system, the new paperwork, the driving licences needing to be switched over, say for example they get ill - what are they going to do? I think a lot of people will go back to the country where they speak the language. You no longer have the best of both worlds, and people can't rely on speaking only English to get by.

They will be replaced by a younger set of people who can afford to be here."

Brexit leaves Spain's Costa Brits facing dilemmas

British expats in Spain tell the BBC how the new post-Brexit rules have changed their lives.

www.bbc.co.uk

Brits no longer the main buyers of Spanish holiday homes...

Some will look instead to tourist trap places in England already full of second homes.

 

[Vic]

Hey - I am just inclined to take your word for it - you and others on here have been insisting that you have been right all the time for years

So - if you fellas say that there will 7,000 - then I am sure that there will be 7,000 - it is of course wrong not to listen to 'experts' - and you wouldn't go changing the goalposts I am sure;-)

I would appreciate you providing an eta/date though - it is getting a bit dispiriting to find my checks each morning are futile.

What about 31/01/21 as a drop dead date? surely a month is long enough?

Can we assume you're deliberately missing the point? Or just being obtuse?

 

[Vic]

Yep - if only the Remainer led UK government during 2016-2019 and undertaken the required planning to capture all the requirements in each of the sectors then we would indeed have less disruption in the early part of 2021.

Because they did not - through a mixture of their desire to have Brexit overturned (Hammond) and outright incompetence (May/Robbins) - then the UK has to suffer more disruption than was/is necessary.

A whole lot of this is directly down to May's government not commencing Brexit preparations either early enough or in a sufficient level of detail and commitment

As I have said frequently - Leavers have far more reason to be pissed off with the UK government (2016-2019) than Remainers

An inconvenient truth - but the truth nevertheless

I'll treat this with the seriousness it doesn't deserve. Why would May's deal have meant more disruption to trade?

 

[BobKowalski]

I'll treat this with the seriousness it doesn't deserve. Why would May's deal have meant more disruption to trade?

The last few posts have just been random words pasted together. Not even worth responding too.

 

[1.618034]

The last few thousand posts have just been random words pasted together. Not even worth responding too.

Yep.

 

[mcfc1632]

I have looked at the old thread to check the veracity of your claim that all the Remainers were predicting 7000 lorries queuing in Kent. The reality is that one person posted a link to an article about Michael Gove's worst case scenario and every other mention of 7000 lorries, and there are quite a few, have come from your little Cheesy buddy.
There is just one person being disingenuous here.

Ooh - I best check - I don't want to be twisting the words of others

I will modify my words if appropriate

So - just checking - are you saying that you guys were not banging on about major road disruption in Kent, lorry parks etc?

 

[west didsblue]

Ooh - I best check - I don't want to be twisting the words of others

I will modify my words if appropriate

So - just checking - are you saying that you guys were not banging on about major road disruption in Kent, lorry parks etc?

That was Michael Gove and Cheese knob.
A few people commented on Michael Gove's assessment.
I'm sure you'll find a few out of context extracts from a few posts to support your argument though so crack on.

 

[mcfc1632]

Can we assume you're deliberately missing the point? Or just being obtuse?

????

Just validating a few things and not conflating things

We were promised mayhem on the M20 and throughout Kent - it has not happened yet

We were promised an apocalypse - it has not happened yet

Or perhaps a bit of humility from those that made such claims with utter certainty - that they may have 'overegged' matters

That has also not happened yet

It really is no great failing to admit to being wrong FFS

 

[mcfc1632]

I'll treat this with the seriousness it doesn't deserve. Why would May's deal have meant more disruption to trade?

????

That makes no sense at all

What I have said it just pure and simple fact

If some on here cannot understand the obvious of why it is pure and simple fact - that is on them - not me

What on earth has this question:

"Why would May's deal have meant more disruption to trade?"

got to do with my post?

 

[west didsblue]

????

Just validating a few things and not conflating things

We were promised mayhem on the M20 and throughout Kent - it has not happened yet

We were promised an apocalypse - it has not happened yet

Or perhaps a bit of humility from those that made such claims with utter certainty - that they may have 'overegged' matters

That has also not happened yet

It really is no great failing to admit to being wrong FFS

I thought you were going to demonstrate that this was a general view of "Remainers" rather than just a Michael Gove scenario and Cheese knob multiple repetitions.

Other than a few jokes about toileting facilities along the M20 and some amusement about outraged Brexiteers having lorry parks being built at the end of their gardens, I don't recall any promises of mayhem and an apocalypse.

Put up or shut up.