Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

I'm told they now accept PayPal

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Lol

 

[west didsblue]

For me - I have only recently posted what are, IMO, a couple of clearly truthful positions:

• the regular (previously known as) Remainers have been caught out (again) having gotten their doom and gloom predictions badly wrong - and are now struggling to portray the current scope of issues as the apocalypse that they predicted
• that the current scope of issues would have been greatly mitigated/reduced/avoided, if only the UK had a government in place during 2016-2019 that had been committed to the preparing for the UK to leave the SM and CU. So yeah - inconvenient perhaps, but clearly true - a lot of the fault for current issues sits with the Remainer led government of 2016-2019.

Of course pointing out my opinions - ones that I am particularly qualified and experienced enough to hold - is unwelcome to the those that dominate the thread and therefore must be shouted down rather than debated.

Re other Leavers not bothering?

Well, I am sure that Remainers will seek solace in the reasons that they invent for that, but I would suggest that it might be because the they have had 5 years of the same old same old daft predictions being proven wrong - and afterall - in 2021 - they can just be comfortable in having achieved an outcome beyond their best hopes.

And even now - when some potentially good news emerges re the Nissan situation - what do you get from the 'old guard' - convoluted attempts to place a negative slant on it.

No - it is more likely and simply, that you fellas have been wrong for so long, an not able to face up to that - and people probably have better things to do. People leaving you to your echo chamber should not be a surprise - and anyway, it is what you have always wanted.

And where’s the good news?
I’ve already mentioned Nissan not closing which is hardly a Brexit dividend. It’s not like Nissan was shutting and it was saved by Brexit.
Have you anything else other than bloviation?

 

[blueparrot]

And where’s the good news?
I’ve already mentioned Nissan not closing which is hardly a Brexit dividend. It’s not like Nissan was shutting and it was saved by Brexit.
Have you anything else other than bloviation?

It's a bit like teams struggling celebrate a corner. Any phew not as bad as it could have been moment is celebrated as positive and a goal.

 

[joe123]

Anyone who is still thinking in terms of being a remainer or brexitier are the ones holding the country back.

Quite pathetic really to try to find faults with every aspect of whats happening just to say "I told you so" or also to try to excuse the various problems and pass the blame.

There is no remaim or exit, what we have is the future, anyone still fighting the battles of 2016-2020 need to grow up and think about the country and not themselves.

It’s thinking about the country that’s prompting people to post how it isn’t going all that well so far.

 

[urban genie]

It’s thinking about the country that’s prompting people to post how it isn’t going all that well so far.

And of course people should point out thinks that are not going well, but the sneering and pompous attitude from both sides is pointless now, the referendum and us leaving is done, point scoring means fuck all.

That post about the cheese company is a good example, commemt saskig if they voted to leave loaded that if the answer is yes (it isn't they voted remain) then they get what they deserve are really childish, so is brexitiers trying to blame european red tape while ignoring the UK is jointly to blame.

Their is no remain/leave battle to be fought, only a "what happens next" mentality which should come from a unified mindset.

 

[BobKowalski]

These are my local independent cheese makers, they do a very nice Cheshire and their Black Bob extra mature is also good.

I’ll have to order some. Pitch in and help out :)

Apparently, they will be opening a production facility in France.

They are also pissed that a lot of checks and procedures are not applying to imports into the UK as we are currently prioritising trade flow over revenue (understandably), so it’s a bit of an uneven playing field, which is kind of ironic given the fuss we made during negotiations.

 

[Ban-jani]

And of course people should point out thinks that are not going well, but the sneering and pompous attitude from both sides is pointless now, the referendum and us leaving is done, point scoring means fuck all.

That post about the cheese company is a good example, commemt saskig if they voted to leave loaded that if the answer is yes (it isn't they voted remain) then they get what they deserve are really childish, so is brexitiers trying to blame european red tape while ignoring the UK is jointly to blame.

Their is no remain/leave battle to be fought, only a "what happens next" mentality which should come from a unified mindset.

Two very good posts on the last two pages.

There are clearly negatives but I see no benefit in scrolling the internet to find cafes or small businesses complaining about the odd thing here or there.

Sure, it’s sad for people when business is affected but the economy is doing fine (Covid apart) and the vast majority of industry has just carried on.

Point scoring now is pointless and because it’s not been that bad but also hasn’t been good either, nobody is going to win the argument even now.

If 0 is Mad Max style dystopia and 10 is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, with 5 being exactly the same as pre Brexit, I genuinely think we’re at 4 now. Nobody was going to win the argument if it was between 4 and 6 on this imaginary scale.

 

[west didsblue]

Two very good posts on the last two pages.

There are clearly negatives but I see no benefit in scrolling the internet to find cafes or small businesses complaining about the odd thing here or there.

Sure, it’s sad for people when business is affected but the economy is doing fine (Covid apart) and the vast majority of industry has just carried on.

Point scoring now is pointless and because it’s not been that bad but also hasn’t been good either, nobody is going to win the argument even now.

If 0 is Mad Max style dystopia and 10 is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth, with 5 being exactly the same as pre Brexit, I genuinely think we’re at 4 now. Nobody was going to win the argument if it was between 4 and 6 on this imaginary scale.

So in summary it’s just a bit shit like we all thought it would be.
I just want to see some tangible benefits. Have you seen any?

 

[BobKowalski]

And of course people should point out thinks that are not going well, but the sneering and pompous attitude from both sides is pointless now, the referendum and us leaving is done, point scoring means fuck all.

That post about the cheese company is a good example, commemt saskig if they voted to leave loaded that if the answer is yes (it isn't they voted remain) then they get what they deserve are really childish, so is brexitiers trying to blame european red tape while ignoring the UK is jointly to blame.

Their is no remain/leave battle to be fought, only a "what happens next" mentality which should come from a unified mindset.

There is no ‘unified mindset‘. The country has been divided since day one. We had an MP murdered over it.

Right now, the deal is better than no deal, but it’s still a shit deal for the UK. You know when a deal is shit when the man who gave it the okay openly lies about it in the first five minutes. “There are no barriers to trade with this deal”. This is the same man who said there could be no division in our Union and promptly divided the UK with the Withdrawal Agreement.

So, what exactly are we ‘unifying’ over? This deal is just the start point for years of negotiations with the the EU, there are endless battles still to be fought.

We’ve only just started.

 

[Ban-jani]

So in summary it’s just a bit shit like we all thought it would be.
I just want to see some tangible benefits. Have you seen any?

Not immediately but our immigration policy is now far better and English Common law is no longer at loggerheads with the European model of the legislature pushing down law.