Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

There is no ‘unified mindset‘. The country has been divided since day one. We had an MP murdered over it.

I am not sure using the death as Cox in this context is relevant or the right thing to do.

 

[urban genie]

There is no ‘unified mindset‘. The country has been divided since day one. We had an MP murdered over it.

Right now, the deal is better than no deal, but it’s still a shit deal for the UK. You know when a deal is shit when the man who gave it the okay openly lies about it in the first five minutes. “There are no barriers to trade with this deal”. This is the same man who said there could be no division in our Union and promptly divided the UK with the Withdrawal Agreement.

So, what exactly are we ‘unifying’ over? This deal is just the start point for years of negotiations with the the EU, there are endless battles still to be fought.

We’ve only just started.

Of course we have only just started, and there is issues to be argued over.

Trying to find out which way businesses voted and then crowing and pontificating at said businesses that are suffering because of this though is not the way, to resolve those issues.

Niether is the bullshit stance we are great and it is everyone else fault but ours.

Reaminers are using the wrong arguements and leavers the wrong excuses.

We need to hold our hands up and admit we have rushed this through when an extention was available and should have been used and accept we won't always get our way, but also admit we ain't going back in so stop whining about it and help find the solutions ratger than look for for points to score about our failures

 

[west didsblue]

Not immediately but our immigration policy is now far better and English Common law is no longer at loggerheads with the European model of the legislature pushing down law.

So nothing tangible that anyone would notice.

 

[Ban-jani]

So nothing tangible that anyone would notice.

Neither are the negatives for the vast majority.

But yeah, the immigration policy of the next few years will see significant difference to what would have been.

 

[jaseirai]

Where have all the Brexiteers gone? We need some positive news to demonstrate why it’s all been worthwhile. The best we’ve had so far is that Nissan might not shut down after all. Everything else has been a bit grim. For example small businesses unable to import or export without huge costs, empty shelves in NI, various problems for expats and people with second homes, finding out that the fishing and livestock industries are fucked and large amounts of financial trading moving away from London. There’s got to be some benefits surely.

Oh yes, forgot about the good news about Gibraltars’s border coming down allowing free movement with the EU although it is slightly tempered by the fact that EU officials will be checking passports of people flying in from the UK.

Too busy listing all these pallets of spam on eBay at the moment. It's £1 final value fees again.

 

[BobKowalski]

I am not sure using the death as Cox in this context is relevant or the right thing to do.

Well, we could pretend it didn’t happen if you like. Pretending things aren’t happening seems to be the general thrust of your argument.

 

[BobKowalski]

Of course we have only just started, and there is issues to be argued over.

Trying to find out which way businesses voted and then crowing and pontificating at said businesses that are suffering because of this though is not the way, to resolve those issues.

Niether is the bullshit stance we are great and it is everyone else fault but ours.

Reaminers are using the wrong arguements and leavers the wrong excuses.

We need to hold pur hands up and admit we have rushed this through when an extention was available and should have been used and accept we won't always get our way, but also admit we ain't going back in so stop whining about it and help find the solutions ratger than look for for points to score about our failures

Fair enough, although the fact we seem locked into these mindsets doesn’t bode well for the future.

Personally, I think there are too many lies and denying of reality for us to ever ‘unify’, nor do I think is there a willingness to do so by factions on both sides. I think the majority wish it would just go away, but it never will. Our relationship with Europe and the EU will continue to define our politics, because there will always be something that comes up, be it fish, cheese or being asked to pay another £50 quid on a product someone ordered.

The problem with erecting trade and cultural barriers is that these barriers are always going to cause grief to some sector of the population, and grief is newsworthy.

 

[west didsblue]

Neither are the negatives for the vast majority.

But yeah, the immigration policy of the next few years will see significant difference to what would have been.

I’ll get back to you in 5 years about immigration.
As for common law being at loggerheads, I’ve no idea what that even means. Maybe you could suggest one way that will positively impact our daily lives.

 

[west didsblue]

Seems we’re at the point where the Brexit fans are past trying to tell us about benefits and they’re up to the point where they’re just pointing out how churlish people are for reminding them of all the drawbacks that were widely predicted becoming reality.

 

[Ban-jani]

Well, we could pretend it didn’t happen if you like. Pretending things aren’t happening seems to be the general thrust of your argument.

I don’t want to pretend anything but she was murdered by a far right extremist for being specifically socially liberal, not because of her Brexit stance.

She could have been Labour leave and still harboured her social views and the cretin would have still wanted to murder her.

It’s also a single tragic event, rather than a sign of the times.

The majority of people are well over Brexit now.