Political relations between UK-EU

[west didsblue]

Exactly, it's the unwelcome elements of each that are causing the pain.

The difference is that some of the key players in the Brexit debate, such as Farage and many ERG members, supported those views.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

There was no sea bass in Aldi yesterday. Can’t decide whether to blame Brexit.

Had a lovely bit of hake yesterday.
Wife said the choice in Aldi was the same as usual.

 

[BobKowalski]

Might as well blame Islam for Salman Abedi then. Or we can accept there are bad faith operators who preyed upon vulnerable, easily manipulated individuals.

I‘ll put you in the ‘not comfortable making the connection, so I’ll mention Islam instead’, camp.

The irony that antI-Muslim rhetoric such as Gove‘s “seventy million Turks about to invade unless you vote leave’ is kind of delicious though. Although, I’m sure Jo Cox’s killer got the message.

 

[Saddleworth2]

You stated it had been simmering for decades, so equally it may have just continued simmering for another decade. Neither of us can say with certainty either way.

What we can say for certainty is that there was a trigger. We can also say with certainty that at the point he was moved to actual violence there was a divisive referendum with an anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner message, and ‘Britain First‘, independence from ‘foreign rule’ themes, themes that spoke strongly to this individual.

I guess it’s down to each of us to decide whether we are comfortable making the connection or not.

I guess I am not comfortable with a direct link between a democratic referendum and a heinous murder. There is a link between some of the behaviours and rhetoric surrounding the referendum and the assassination but that is slightly different I think. Maybe I'm splitting hairs.

 

[BobKowalski]

Had a lovely bit of hake yesterday.
Wife said the choice in Aldi was the same as usual.

You can always rely on Aldi.

 

[mcfc1632]

Does it mean that the MP was killed because of the campaign?

Cox wasn’t even a prominent name in the remain campaign, she was very much a local MP and the man who murdered her was local.

He killed her because of her support for the local Muslim population, of which he detested.

I really don’t like this point, I think it’s using the tragedy.

It's simply being willing to stoop to using that tragedy to score cheap points

For me the phrase - 'don't feed the troll' seems appropriate - because he will most likely not be persuaded or admit that what he is doing is really inappropriate

 

[Ban-jani]

My problem when I see Brexiteers posting that the fishing industry woes had nothing to do with Brexit.

Firstly is that the fishing industry only discovered these Covid inspired problems after 1st Jan, no doubt a coincidence, and secondly he then blames the deal, which is -er- Brexit, and for not getting unfettered access to the European Market, which we can’t because of (wait for it), Brexit.

How the hell do you ‘unify’ with this level of dishonesty?

Well unity won’t happen if we take the views of one idiot and apply it to all.

 

[BobKowalski]

I guess I am not comfortable with a direct link between a democratic referendum and a heinous murder. There is a link between some of the behaviours and rhetoric surrounding the referendum and the assassination but that is slightly different I think. Maybe I'm splitting hairs.

Fair enough.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well unity won’t happen if we take the views of one idiot and apply it to all.

Have you read @mcfc1632 posts?

 

[Ban-jani]

Have you read @mcfc1632 posts?

A few of them.