Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

Because, not only do migrants need to fit the criteria of jobs needed, one aspect is having a job waiting for them.

How many have left those jobs?

European workers are fleeing the UK economy during the pandemic

The loss of EU workers could make Britain's economy less dynamic.

www.google.com

NHS winter crisis fears grow after thousands of EU staff quit

Mass resignations after Brexit vote compound health staffing shortages

www.theguardian.com

 

[Vic]

The Telegraph is the number one for me in terms of objectivity and how sensible a paper it is. It both defends and criticises the government.

That would be the paper whose chief political correspondent for The Telegraph wrote this: "Biden's great, great, great grandfather, Edward Blewitt, left Ballina, Co. Mayo, Ireland for America during the Irish famine 170 years ago, which could mean he is well disposed towards Great Britain."

If you think the Torygraph is objective, you're not.

 

[Ban-jani]

European workers are fleeing the UK economy during the pandemic

The loss of EU workers could make Britain's economy less dynamic.

www.google.com

NHS winter crisis fears grow after thousands of EU staff quit

Mass resignations after Brexit vote compound health staffing shortages

www.theguardian.com

According to your first article, the percentage of EU workers who have left is only 8.3% of those in the UK and this is, as it states in the article, because of Covid and them either losing their jobs, so going home to their parents.

Regarding your 2nd article, it’s from 2019, we’ve since had the worst year in living memory for the NHS and it’s still functioned, so it cannot have affected it that badly.

My current boss used to be in charge of recruitment in one area of the NHS, he said they were never short of nursing applications and it was how the whole thing operated as an organisation that caused issues with personnel numbers.

Have you thought that those EU migrants who had left 2016-2019 may have been replaced?

 

[Ban-jani]

That would be the paper whose chief political correspondent for The Telegraph wrote this: "Biden's great, great, great grandfather, Edward Blewitt, left Ballina, Co. Mayo, Ireland for America during the Irish famine 170 years ago, which could mean he is well disposed towards Great Britain."

If you think the Torygraph is objective, you're not.

What’s wrong with that statement?

With all due respect Vic, I’m never ever going to take objectivity lessons from you. The fact you called it the ‘Torygraph’ just proves you’re best off ignored on this subject.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

European workers are fleeing the UK economy during the pandemic

The loss of EU workers could make Britain's economy less dynamic.

www.google.com

NHS winter crisis fears grow after thousands of EU staff quit

Mass resignations after Brexit vote compound health staffing shortages

www.theguardian.com

On that second article; a few months after that was written, despite EU nationals leaving the NHS, it was published that NHS Hospital & Community Health Service (HCHS) staff numbers by March 2020 were 4.4% (48,220) higher than in March 2019.

The number of nurses working in the NHS in England had increased by more than 12,000 in that previous 12 months.

This did not include returning ex-nurses who came back to the NHS because of COVID. These were new jobs.

There was a decline in health care visitors, however.

But there is due to be a large increase in NHS staff over the coming years.

NHS Workforce Statistics - March 2020 - NHS England Digital

NHS workforce statistics, part of a monthly series showing staff numbers in England over time, by staff group, region and organisation. This data is available back to September 2009 for all months to current.

digital.nhs.uk

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The Telegraph is the number one for me in terms of objectivity and how sensible a paper it is. It both defends and criticises the government.

I can’t believe you fucking posted that.

 

[Vic]

What’s wrong with that statement?

With all due respect Vic, I’m never ever going to take objectivity lessons from you. The fact you called it the ‘Torygraph’ just proves you’re best off ignored on this subject.

If you don't think the Telegraph is a Tory paper you're not objective.

 

[Ban-jani]

I can’t believe you fucking posted that.

Why? Which paper do you like?

 

[Vic]

According to your first article, the percentage of EU workers who have left is only 8.3% of those in the UK and this is, as it states in the article, because of Covid and them either losing their jobs, so going home to their parents.

Regarding your 2nd article, it’s from 2019, we’ve since had the worst year in living memory for the NHS and it’s still functioned, so it cannot have affected it that badly.

My current boss used to be in charge of recruitment in one area of the NHS, he said they were never short of nursing applications and it was how the whole thing operated as an organisation that caused issues with personnel numbers.

Have you thought that those EU migrants who had left 2016-2019 may have been replaced?

More from NON-EU countries, and I don't rely on non-objective sources like the Torygraph.

Leavers:
"Nurses and health visitors are the only staff group to record a fall in the number of recorded EU nationals since the EU referendum. EU nurses as a percentage of those with a known nationality have fallen from 7.4% of the total to 6.0%. EU doctors have fallen to 9.1% from 9.7%, having risen as high as 9.9% in March 2017."

Joiners:
"The data shows that EU/EEA nationals have fallen as a percentage of all joiners to the NHS since 2015/16, from 10.9% to 7.2%. Meanwhile, the percentage of joiners with a non-EU/EEA nationality has risen from 8.7% in 2014/15 to 14.5% in 2019."

NHS staff from overseas: statistics - House of Commons Library

Over 67,000 NHS staff in England are EU nationals - 5.5% of all staff. Overall, 13.8% of NHS staff say that their nationality is not British. Facts and figures on the nationality of NHS staff for doctors, nurses and other groups, and changes since the Brexit vote.

commonslibrary.parliament.uk

 

[Ban-jani]

If you don't think the Telegraph is a Tory paper you're not objective.

The Telegraph is a small c conservative biased paper, but it’s often highly critical of the Tories.

Their opinion columns feature remain supporters and leavers. There’s the former leader of the Social Democrats who’s had more articles than anyone recently, they’re an economically left wing party if you didn’t know, in between the Liberals and Traditional Labour.