Political relations between UK-EU

[Citizen of Legoland]

Theres no differentiation between the EU manufacturing sites and the U.K. sites, they’re one and the same. That’s not the point though.

If there’s a shortfall in production that’s fine, Pfizer had that too. They cut it for all their customer base though. If AZ also say there’s a shortfall because vaccines are already prioritised for a different customer, then that’s not a reasonable excuse for breaching it as per their own stipulation.

I've tried reading the contract but can't see anything to say AZ have to cut output for all their customer base. Section 5.4 specifically mentions what can occur when AZ fail to meet it's obligations (the EU can source and offer additional manufacturing capability) but is it mentioned elsewhere?

 

[meltonblue]

Honestly mate confuses me as well!! half the time I read meltons posts as my own ;)

Ha! Me too!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not when production location is explicit to the contract between the EU and AZ it isn’t - else they could argue for the US output as well...but they aren’t are they?

I suspect AstraZeneca's operations in Europe operate as an independent corporate entity, able to enter in to contracts that oblige them and them alone.

Is the production location explicit in the contract? That would surprise me, if it is I'm sure it's merely a matter of detail rather than a contractual stipulation.

 

[BobKowalski]

Ha! Me too!

I‘m half expecting one of you to quote one of your own posts and accuse yourself of talking rubbish.

 

[meltonblue]

I've tried reading the contract but can't see anything to say AZ have to cut output for all their customer base. Section 5.4 specifically mentions what can occur when AZ fail to meet it's obligations (the EU can source and offer additional manufacturing capability) but is it mentioned elsewhere?

No, there won’t be. It’s more that specifically saying providing vaccines to others cannot be used as a valid reason for the shortfall

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

I suspect AstraZeneca's operations in Europe operate as an independent corporate entity, able to enter in to contracts that oblige them and them alone.

Is the production location explicit in the contract?

Don't know , however we do know that country of origin is important to the Eu... but this might hinge on the fact that when AZ couldn't meet its obligations to the UK because of a problem at its UK plant it transferred vaccine from its Netherlands plant to make up up the shortfall.

 

[BobKowalski]

I suspect AstraZeneca's operations in Europe operate as an independent corporate entity, able to enter in to contracts that oblige them and them alone.

Is the production location explicit in the contract?

Section 5.4 seems to deem the UK sites to be part of the EU production area in terms of making up any shortfalls.

 

[Vic]

Back in the real world, you do understand the difference in populations don’t you?

For real? How many vaccines has the EU had for its bigger population?

 

[The perfect fumble]

Section 5.4 seems to deem the UK sites to be part of the EU production area in terms of making up any shortfalls.

That would make sense, where the vaccine comes from to supply various customers is a matter of detail rather than a contractual obligation. That is why the UK's case, if we were ever to make one would fall down.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

No, there won’t be. It’s more that specifically saying providing vaccines to others cannot be used as a valid reason for the shortfall

But I haven't seen reference to that either. There's some text relating to agreements the EU might make with other raw material/goods suppliers that have impacted AZ's ability to purchase said materials/goods. Just not seeing anything specific that proves the EUs case.