Political relations between UK-EU

[mcfc1632]

The Covid political thread would make more sense.

Bollocks - this is the key issue that is going to affect relations between the EU and the UK at the moment

I can understand you being uncomfortable and wanting the issue shunted elsewhere

 

[Vic]

Why are so many on here happy to jump on the EUs side with everything, it all smells a bit Vichy to me.

I think the people who oppose Brexit are surprised that the UK Govt seems to have got something right (assuming faster approval of and roll-out of vaccines is a good thing, i.e. making us all part of a trial). But some have been resisting the "EU threat" narrative, as the EU (justifiably it seems) is asking for its vaccines - having paid toward the research and paid upfront for ten times the number of doses the UK ordered. It's embarrassing for the EU, but it's been frightening to see the Brexit mob really not understanding stuff today, just relishing the EU's discomfitting.

 

[meltonblue]

I really appreciate you taking the time to exchange posts mate but neither of these points have been proven. The EU may well have intended exactly what you’re saying but they don’t have a contract to support that IMHO. You see it differently and I respect that.

You and I are interpreting the same document differently. How much fun could lawyers have!!

Maybe we could get paid £500 an hour for this!!

The only way it can’t be is if there’s bits in the redactions, but given they are AZ redactions, I highly doubt it. You’ve got to remember the EU were pushing to publish it, if those sections were even remotely ambiguous in their minds, that would be idiotically stupid. I know they’re capable of it, but that’s pushing the boat a bit!

Agree on the lawyer bit!

 

[metalblue]

The only way it can’t be is if there’s bits in the redactions, but given they are AZ redactions, I highly doubt it. You’ve got to remember the EU were pushing to publish it, if those sections were even remotely ambiguous in their minds, that would be idiotically stupid. I know they’re capable of it, but that’s pushing the boat a bit!

Agree on the lawyer bit!

I absolutely agree with you, the EU will believe they are in the right. A bit like I do when arguing with Mrs MB ;)

 

[hgblue]

German newspaper Bild being quite complimentary about Brexit Boris and sycophant in chief Katya Adler being highly critical of the EU. Seems that the gaslighting by the EU isn’t working. Maybe they should cut the twattishness and come to an agreement so we can help them out of the hole they’re in? Nobody wants to see EU citizens suffer due to their incompetence.

 

[journolud]

There is a delicious sort of irony in this, well there would be if it wasn’t such a serious matter of course.

I have been told for 4 years that if I voted for Brexit/Brexit actually happened that I would die as medicines would not be able to get through quickly enough should I get sick. I do not remember any sympathy for that scenario.

Now that’s hyperbole

 

[BobKowalski]

Temporary ban for two months on vaccines leaving the bloc without prior approval, list of countries exempted, UK not on it.

 

[grunge]

No it isn’t, it’s just irrelevant - the fact there isn’t a schedule on delivery from each site justifies the EUs case, not AZs. From the EUs perspective, they don’t care where it comes from. The contract states that AZ will use either the U.K. sites or sites in mainland Europe to fulfil the order, that’s it.

If the reason the U.K. site can’t fulfil the order is because of a commitment to someone else, then that’s in breach of the contract. If it had a shortfall of production for other reasons then it wouldn’t.

Chatting to some mates who are lawyers. the issues here isn't that the contract states that the supply can come form the UK, it can, AZ has said as much in there interview the other day. that is a non point.

The issue is that AZ cannot redirect a supply that has already been contracted for. Currently the UK plant is making enough to supply the UK contract only, there is no excess supply yet. the second that plant has fulfilled the UK order then the contract is completed and the supply can get diverted to the EU.

the argument then comes down to Can the EU contract overrule the UK contract, clearly it cannot.

 

[carlosthejackal]

According to a lawyer in the relevant field on the radio, this comes down to the fact the British Government gambled and got production facilities up and running while the EU messed about , if the UK government had not gambled then we’d be in the same position as the EU , so the lawyer suggested they had no claim over the supply in the UK by the fact that this stock would not have existed but for the actions of the UK government. He suggested the question in a courtroom towards the EU is why they did not get production facilities up and running and the fact they knew about the orders the UK government had placed but still delayed.

 

[Tanzeylee]

I think the people who oppose Brexit are surprised that the UK Govt seems to have got something right (assuming faster approval of and roll-out of vaccines is a good thing, i.e. making us all part of a trial). But some have been resisting the "EU threat" narrative, as the EU (justifiably it seems) is asking for its vaccines - having paid toward the research and paid upfront for ten times the number of doses the UK ordered. It's embarrassing for the EU, but it's been frightening to see the Brexit mob really not understanding stuff today, just relishing the EU's discomfitting.

Point proven right there