Political relations between UK-EU

[BobKowalski]

I can see a lot of attraction in being part of a genuine and 'somewhat more modern' trading bloc.

The EU is so bureaucratic that I can see in years to come there will be better terms to come for the UK with the EU - if negotiated between blocs

Great thing is we will still be clear of the superstate project and avoid the mess that will come forwards - win - win

I’m sure we will have a lot of input in driving ‘regional economic integration‘ in the Pacific region from *checks notes* Europe.

Yes, if there was one thing we learnt from the aborted triggering of Article 16 of the NI protocols is that we are well clear of the ‘superstate project’ and them interfering in the UK.

Literally, we have had pages of much hysterical fapping and still you guys can’t spot the elephant sized hole in your grand pronouncements.

It’s a worry to be honest.

 

[mcfc1632]

Doesn't bother the Swiss. Just shows how difficult the EU are to work with.

Yep - I am not sure that the acolytes understand just how limp their points are sometimes

 

[mcfc1632]

That's the whole point of having a continuous relationship, I would have thought.

As the world changes, it makes sense to continue to discuss with our European partners the formalities of our ongoing relationship. Its all part and parcel of doing business with the EU as a non-EU member.

It's really odd that this is being presented as a 'negative aspect' as its just a reality of dealing with the EU. Maybe the realities of the flaws of the EU as a bloc are starting to hit home. :)

Great post

".....it makes sense to continue to discuss with our European partners the formalities of our ongoing relationship. Its all part and parcel of doing business with the EU as a non-EU member."

Is so much better than being a member was - we can pick and choose what we don't want to be part of - which is as important, or more so, than what we opt in for

As you say:

"It's really odd that this is being presented as a 'negative aspect' as its just a reality of dealing with the EU. Maybe the realities of the flaws of the EU as a bloc are starting to hit home. :)"

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I would indeed - as would the vast majority of Leave supporters.

Just ponder that simple point - even strong minded advocates for Leave like me would have voted Remain - IMO it clearly establishes where the blame should be placed.

It was when there was the push for integration and backdoor treaties that things went wrong for the UK's membership of the EU and where it will continue to go wrong for many years to come for other members.

That is because the poison has already been taken and the only medicine available is full integration

Add my voice to the list of those committed leavers who would have voted remain if the EU was only a trading bloc, as the nation was told it would only ever be when we voted in the earlier referendum in the 70s.

Early days yet of course, but if the new trading bloc across the Asia-Pacific accept our application to join and were then to also accept the USA we would have in effect left behind a corrupt, fetid bloc who’s only tangible benefit was “we will make it easier for your rich business owners to employ you on zero hour contracts and depress your wages by flooding your economy with cheaper labour from poorer nations (at the same time stripping these poorer nations of their own life’s blood). Double-bubble neo-liberal style” and replaced it with a dynamic, young trading bloc, looking out into the world, not looking inwards parochially.

The UK, going out into the wider world.

All thanks to me and you and millions like us.

You’re welcome remainers. Very very welcome.

 

[mcfc1632]

I’m sure we will have a lot of input in driving ‘regional economic integration‘ in the Pacific region from *checks notes* Europe.

Yes, if there was one thing we learnt from the aborted triggering of Article 16 of the NI protocols is that we are well clear of the ‘superstate project’ and them interfering in the UK.

Literally, we have had pages of much hysterical fapping and still you guys can’t spot the elephant sized hole in your grand pronouncements.

It’s a worry to be honest.

No - what you are missing - and have been for a long time

Quite a few of us have been able to see the elephant sized hole in your increasingly one trick pony arguments

And, unfortunately for you and others, a year or so from now, amongst UK citizens, there is likely to be a significant amount of 'so what' about having left the EU

And then - after 4 years of investment in the UK and the apocalypse still stubbornly refusing to make an appearance - people will be deaf to such repetitive nonsense and won't give a single fuck about any talk of rejoining

Reality will prove to be such a woman

 

[mcfc1632]

No, the only major European country that is protectionist is the UK as evidenced when it raised trade and cultural barriers with Europe and within its own sovereign territory.

You have to love the irony.

You can say it - you can delude yourself and others

But an increasing number of 'increasingly happy people' just think - that is bollocks

 

[BobKowalski]

Yep - I am not sure that the acolytes understand just how limp their points are sometimes

We are handicapped by understanding the subject.

‘Switzerland’s dealings with the EU are currently governed by a web of more than 20 main bilateral agreements and around 100 other agreements, under which Switzerland has agreed to incorporate certain aspects of EU legislation in exchange for preferential access to the single market.

These agreements are currently managed through a structure of 20 joint committees. The ongoing effect of the agreements obliges Switzerland to adopt EU legislation in the relevant sectors. But ensuring that Swiss law catches up takes a lot of manpower and time.’

Current attempts to streamline this process are fraught and causing angst in Switzerland.

 

[BobKowalski]

No - what you are missing - and have been for a long time

Quite a few of us have been able to see the elephant sized hole in your increasingly one trick pony arguments

And, unfortunately for you and others, a year or so from now, amongst UK citizens, there is likely to be a significant amount of 'so what' about having left the EU

And then - after 4 years of investment in the UK and the apocalypse still stubbornly refusing to make an appearance - people will be deaf to such repetitive nonsense and won't give a single fuck about any talk of rejoining

Reality will prove to be such a woman

Have you ever thought about addressing the points made? It could be a game changer.

Narrator: It wasn’t.

 

[mcfc1632]

But the EU want to replace the myriad of deals with a single deal that means they can control the Swiss like a Mafia protection racket.

Yep - there are clear plans for how the EU are preparing to sort out the 'Swiss anomaly'

I have been reading recently about the EU starting to give consideration to sorting out other 'anomalies' - such as the 'Ireland anomaly' and the intentions on tax harmonisation. I know that Ireland have faced that threat before - but I am thinking that they are running how of road on this

Clear protection racket - has been for a long time.

Special interests groups - like French agriculture - have to be protected so there needs to be steps taken.......

It could easily start to unravel - I actually hope not as we will be impacted as well - just think that it is inevitable

 

[BobKowalski]

Great post

".....it makes sense to continue to discuss with our European partners the formalities of our ongoing relationship. Its all part and parcel of doing business with the EU as a non-EU member."

Is so much better that being a member was - we can pick and choose what we don't want to be part of - which is as important, or more so, than what we opt in for

As you say:

"It's really odd that this is being presented as a 'negative aspect' as its just a reality of dealing with the EU. Maybe the realities of the flaws of the EU as a bloc are starting to hit home. :)"

Just a heads up, but you do know the EU has to agree, right? Because our record over the last four years of ‘picking and choosing what we want‘ ain‘t great.

Just saying.