Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

In a card from Santa at the North Pole?

What was that about unfunny jokes at the weekend ;-)

 

[stonerblue]

Fucking pisser - and it is a real shame that we have left the EU

Yeah - if only the EU ideologists could have been content to be the biggest trading bloc on the planet

We both have good reason to be fucked off with the self-serving fuckwits

Really fucking fuming about what they have caused

Appreciate the reply but does this mean you're happy with price rises for all of us?

 

[west didsblue]

I read somewhere recently that our borrowing is currently fine and the economy should be on track to recover well, as well as outperforming France and Spain’s recovery. Can’t remember where though but I am sure I read it just before Christmas.

Express by any chance?

 

[BobKowalski]

When the inevitable massive job losses and a big spike in prices occurs because of your assessments, I’ll come on here and congratulate you on your perception. In 5 years none of the scenarios painted by you and yours, have occurred. “No chance of a free trade deal.” “Without the backing of the EU, trade deals will never be struck and the process takes years” “Boris the bastard won’t sign up to the European procurement scheme.” “Idiot Mackems vote to lose their jobs.”
I’ll list another half dozen of the results of your failed Mystic Meg training course if you like.

For once, address the points made in the post. You can’t keep squirming behind misrepresentations.

 

[GH64]

Er - there is no clause 5.1(e). Or 5.4.

But mcfc1632 thinks it's a great analysis (most is cut and paste from the Sky? article about how AZ got the contract rather than Merck).

It isn't by any means a great analysis, but I can at least find and read read a publicly available contract. But not great at typing. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_21_302
Link to the APA between AZ and AZ.
Sorry, late night typos, not "Clause" 5 but Article 5,Representations, Warranties and Covenenats. And 5 (h) not 4 (eyes not what they were) "Capacity Limitations". Page 36 /7 . But not hard to work out what I meant, it isn't a long contract & I thought you were asking a question about the Warranties. ,
Some was from the Sky artlcle, but that doesn't mean it is wrong. Merck did a press release on 14th April about their relationship with Oxford and progress on the vaccine "laying foundations for large scale production", and 16 days later the AZ agreement was announced. So something changed at the last minute.

 

[BobKowalski]

This was your response to @BlueAnorak commenting on the EU acting in a protectionist manner

Your comment is of course only your biased opinion

BA's opinion is supported by many - including the German press:

"The EU Commission is doing the best advertisement for Brexit in the dispute over the delay in the delivery of the AstraZeneca vaccine: it is acting slowly, bureaucratically and protectionistly. And if something goes wrong, the others are to blame. This is how many Britons see the EU, and so the prejudices were confirmed earlier this week. "Now I understand Brexit better," an AstraZeneca employee said on television."

AstraZeneca: Die beste Werbung für den Brexit | ZEIT ONLINE

We have raised trade and cultural barriers with our biggest and closest export market.

That is protectionism.

That is a fact.

 

[west didsblue]

For once, address the points made in the post. You can’t keep squirming behind misrepresentations.

It's much easier to sneer at made up quotes than face up to reality.

 

[metalblue]

So we're putting in half a billion pounds to Covax to provide vaccines to the developing world out of £4bn cuts in aid to the developing world.

Yeah probably better we don’t bother with the £500m for vaccines for them, that’s what you’re saying isn’t it?

 

[Vic]

One of your most amusing yet Vic. Mutti had the same idea, but stuck with
the EU procuration dogma, Macron was pushing for his own vaccine, but like
a 5 year old Renault Clio, they never managed to get it down the road.
So it was down to hoping Ursula's record didn't screw up again, which was always going to be a big ask.

It wasn't a "procuration dogma". I can't offhand think of anything else where the EU centralises procurement. It was with the noble aim of fairly distributing vaccines according to the population of each country rather than a free-for-all that would see wealthier countries outbidding poorer countries and competing with other countries for priority deliveries. Put the clock back to April last year, and (with hindsight) see how the UK does if there is no EU co-operation, just a scramble to get in first, with possibly a bidding war for priority.

It's gone wrong for the EU, but without what you call a procurement dogma and I call a noble attempt at fair access, the UK might not be in such a good position. I'm not sure you're right about what Merkel and Macron wanted but, on your way of working, what would be the consequences for the UK if EU countries had not co-operated on supplying material for AstraZeneca?

And the "hate your country" stuff should stop. It's desperately shallow. Pride in Britain is fine (not least what Oxford has done) but it's still an international team with international money, and I certainly hope that in the end putting Britain first (so that less vulnerable people here have priority over more vulnerable people elsewhere) does not mean the virus is eradicated less quickly.

Put it this way - what's your priority? Getting vaccinated yourself, or eradicating Coronavirus?

(Maybe I'm the only person on here that listens to "The Moral Maze")

 

[Ban-jani]

Express by any chance?

The last time I saw anything from the Express, it was posted by you in here.

Before then, I have no recollection of when I saw it.