You're looking at the Order Form for vaccines under the contract, not the contract itself. Try 13.1(e) of the contract.
It's satisfying to know mcfc1632 thought it was good work, though.
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It's satisfying to know mcfc1632 thought it was good work, though.
Saddleworth2
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She could have agreed that without shooting herself in both feet.UVL statement...
‘Step forward on vaccines.
Astra Zeneca will deliver 9 million additional doses in the first quarter (40 million in total) compared to last week’s offer & will start deliveries one week earlier than scheduled.
The company will also expand its manufacturing capacity in Europe.’
metalblue
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You pay to avoid the non tariff barriers. If you are happy with trade barriers and restrictions to trade then you don’t pay and accept suboptimal market conditions.
The other factor is that we do pay. It’s just different. Instead of the Govt paying to remove these barriers, individual businesses pay in terms of increased costs, administration and even loss of markets in some sectors and the Govt also pays for costs in customs ie personal, infrastructure, red tape etc.
Right now this country will pay more, to trade less and at greater cost. There is not one single economic argument that can be made for the route we have taken. Not one, which is why we will struggle to maintain this position.
You can make a non economic argument, but you have no economic rationale that makes sense. Which is why, Norway and Switzerland pay to be part of the Single Market. It’s cheaper and more efficient.
You’ve asserted opinion as fact there.
Of course there will be some short term issues that may well drag on for some time (on both sides of the English Channel) but the beauty of a capitalist system is it is very apt at filling voids and finding value especially where there was previous demand that cannot be satisfied. I can make many an economic argument and you can counter it, but it’s all supposition at this stage. The trouble is when things change no one can really point to past performance as a future indicator, it all comes with a side of guesswork.
My prediction. Governments ain’t pulling back on economic stimulus any time soon, they can’t, the world is going to enter a post-war type boom - the roaring 20s are coming back and let’s enjoy it. Inflation and thus interest rates will probably go up thou so don’t enjoy it too much ;)
Not really seen much on Hancock's role in this. But best thing for the Govt to do on this spat between AZ and the EU for the better long term good was to keep their heads down, which they largely managed.Really well and patiently explained
Some were in a muddle a few days ago about whether "best reasonable efforts" would be in the contract with the EU - and in a muddle about what the clause means
Some still are and others unable to admit that they were
Not seen any sign of Hancock getting any kudos - have you?
Sorry - thought the answer was obvious in my reply - but to be more explicit:Appreciate the reply but does this mean you're happy with price rises for all of us?
You ask: does this mean you're happy with price rises for all of us?
Well:
1. Nobody is ever going to be happy with price rises that could most certainly have been either avoided or greatly reduced
2. Unlike some though I am very much recognising where the responsibility for the level of price rises rests and that is with May and Hammond as they prevented the required planning for happening during 2016-2019 that would have advanced readiness and identified the actions and policies required to mitigate issues
3. But - in the round I am delighted that the UK is free of EU hegemony and I am confident that the damage that a Remainer led government caused for the UK will be relatively short lived and more than worth it - so yes - I am happy
Does that help?
Oh, behave. It's petty.Yeah probably better we don’t bother with the £500m for vaccines for them, that’s what you’re saying isn’t it?
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You think it's opinion not fact that exporters and importers have increased costs with EU trade?You’ve asserted opinion as fact there.
Of course there will be some short term issues that may well drag on for some time (on both sides of the English Channel) but the beauty of a capitalist system is it is very apt at filling voids and finding value especially where there was previous demand that cannot be satisfied. I can make many an economic argument and you can counter it, but it’s all supposition at this stage. The trouble is when things change no one can really point to past performance as a future indicator, it all comes with a side of guesswork.
My prediction. Governments ain’t pulling back on economic stimulus any time soon, they can’t, the world is going to enter a post-war type boom - the roaring 20s are coming back and let’s enjoy it. Inflation and thus interest rates will probably go up thou so don’t enjoy it too much ;)
Really?
Now that's opinion...You’ve asserted opinion as fact there.
Of course there will be some short term issues that may well drag on for some time (on both sides of the English Channel) but the beauty of a capitalist system is it is very apt at filling voids and finding value especially where there was previous demand that cannot be satisfied. I can make many an economic argument and you can counter it, but it’s all supposition at this stage. The trouble is when things change no one can really point to past performance as a future indicator, it all comes with a side of guesswork.
My prediction. Governments ain’t pulling back on economic stimulus any time soon, they can’t, the world is going to enter a post-war type boom - the roaring 20s are coming back and let’s enjoy it. Inflation and thus interest rates will probably go up thou so don’t enjoy it too much ;)
It's Hancock turning down advice on using Merck so that Britain could jump the vaccine queue. I'm sure most Brits will approve.Not really seen much on Hancock's role in this. But best thing for the Govt to do on this spat between AZ and the EU for the better long term good was to keep their heads down, which they largely managed.
metalblue
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You think it's opinion not fact that exporters and importers have increased costs with EU trade?
Really?
“this country will pay more, to trade less and at greater cost”
This is opinion, not fact.