Political relations between UK-EU

[Vic]

The comment below is from a Brexit MEP who owns a Salmon Curing business and it’s weird.

‘Pure protectionism. How is it on 31/12 our fish is ok to eat yet on 1/1 it is unfit? How is it that the EU fishermen are desperate to fish our 'uncertified' waters. This mad bureaucracy is why the EU economy is dying.

We need to lead the world in deregulating & FREE TRADE.‘ @LanceForeman

We had frictionless trade with the EU, and now we don’t because we voted not to have it, so now he’s complaining and I’m like how do people not get this?

Also, how can you lead the world in free trade when you have just rejected free trade and put up trade barriers?

How can you walk around with conflicting ideas in your head and still function?

If I'd known he was a mad brexiteer I might not have visited his restaurant (near the London Stadium). I did get an email from him to thank me for pointing out that his website included:

Forman’s is located on the banks of the River Lea on Fish Island.
There is some parking and good coach drop off remove and replace with ‘Good onsite parking available'.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

It is generally not that when you took the poison is the same time as when you fall ill - it is somewhere upstream

In this case - when the Remainer led UK government of 2016-2019 prevented the planning and preparation work that should have been done to be started

So now we have to respond as and when things come to light. The UK had the option at the end of 2019 - after we at last got shot of the paralysing of parliament - to dump the May WA entirely and renegotiate.

But that would have taken years and therefore played into the EU's hands - we seem to have decided to make the break and deal with the consequences in flight - taking the opportunity of having 5 years until the next election.

I think that the UK should be prepared to act to compensate some areas where there is justification and plan fixes where they are available - my hope and expectation is that as 2021 becomes 2022 we may decide to face down the EU and bring forward changes to the NIP based on experience of this year - depends on a number of factors, including the EU's attitude - whether they are being deliberately damaging - and our planning and preparation for the consequences of them saying NO

My hope/expectation

The trouble with all of that from anyone outside the UK’s perspective is that basically it makes anything negotiated with you untrustworthy.
There is something very Machiavellian about your ideology for getting Brexit done.
It may be effective and as I’ve said all along you are quite consistent in your approach to the whole subject.
But dealing with a UK that may decide next year or next month to change their mind cannot be easy.

I quite honestly don’t know what the answer to the Northern Ireland situation is, but from the other side it looks like you have already had two attempts and the consequences of both were explained in advanced but denied by one format or other of your UK government.
The DUP would rather bring down the GFA and suffer the consequences of that, than compromise on their right to be treated the same as the rest of the UK even if that means having it worse economically than they do now.

Like I say. I do not have the answer, but see more chopping and changing on policy up North as consequences arise as disturbing and unhelpful to the whole island.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yes, I did post that again in error, my apologies, the post has been amended since you responded to a piece from the Indy.
And in response to your second point, no I don't find it strange at all, as what was that signed up to was abused at the first sign of a self inflicted harm via vaccines within the EU, ie; Von de Leyen, in a fit of pique that was swiftly, and grovellingly retracted.
It looks like we're not going to putting up with these kinds of stunts anymore,
in that whenever they see this country progressing they immediately attempt to undermine it in this fashion. We'll see what the govt do about it shortly.

It was retracted immediately as you say, because it was wrong.
Arlene Foster should retract also, because it’s still wrong.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I come in here every so often as it’s one of the few politics threads that moves often.

I don’t know why I bother I could predict what would be happening every time before I do.

Genuinely think the thread needs binning now but I’ll leave that up to the powers that be.

Other than the EU vaccine debacle, which could have gone in other threads to be fair, it’s ran its course imo.

You’re not wrong.

 

[BobKowalski]

The trouble with all of that from anyone outside the UK’s perspective is that basically it makes anything negotiated with you untrustworthy.
There is something very Machiavellian about your ideology for getting Brexit done.
It may be effective and as I’ve said all along you are quite consistent in your approach to the whole subject.
But dealing with a UK that may decide next year or next month to change their mind cannot be easy.

I quite honestly don’t know what the answer to the Northern Ireland situation is, but from the other side it looks like you have already had two attempts and the consequences of both were explained in advanced but denied by one format or other of your UK government.
The DUP would rather bring down the GFA and suffer the consequences of that, than compromise on their right to be treated the same as the rest of the UK even if that means having it worse economically than they do now.

Like I say. I do not have the answer, but see more chopping and changing on policy up North as consequences arise as disturbing and unhelpful to the whole island.

The answer to the NI situation at the moment is to make the protocols work. Its the only answer because no other answer is acceptable to all sides. It’s a situation that NI and its people did not want, nor vote for, but it does present an economic opportunity for NI and its unique position between two distinct markets.

The politics from the DUP is an issue because, as you say, they would rather see NI go to ruin then accept this split from GB, let alone make it work.

I suspect there will be some easement on checks going from GB to NI, but ultimately we agreed to the checks and the border, so movement from the EU will be limited.

In four years, the UK has never come to terms with how NI restricts its ability to sever connections with the EU, nor did it grasp how restrictive trade can be outside the Single Market. It’s learning now, but it’s going to be a slow process, partly because too many people refuse to believe it or simply don‘t understand it.

 

[BobKowalski]

If I'd known he was a mad brexiteer I might not have visited his restaurant (near the London Stadium). I did get an email from him to thank me for pointing out that his website included:

Forman’s is located on the banks of the River Lea on Fish Island.
There is some parking and good coach drop off remove and replace with ‘Good onsite parking available'.

Decent of you to point it out :)

I guess the reason for this reality disconnect, is that they believe the UK shouldn‘t be treated this way, our goods or produce should not be questioned or checked or subject to rules and regs. The fact that they are comes as a bit of a shock.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You've already posted the first one quoting Jeffrey Epstein's mate twice.
Regarding the second one, do you not find it a little strange that our PM is threatening to tear up an agreement he made about 6 weeks ago because he's surprised at how it's going?

And I did say that Post was amended, it was an error but hey-ho.
No, I don't find it strange, in any way at all, but I know why you do.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not so much surprised how it’s going, think it’s more of a surprise to him what’s in the agreement, he obviously had no idea what he was signing up to, again. He took it to the last week and signed whatever the eu put in front of him. His answer to the problems it’s causing is straight from the Trump school of play.

It's not written into the agreement that the nuclear option needs to be implemented after a monumental, and life endangering fuck up by one side,
simply because that side has been out manoeuvred and lashes out after
seeing their arse about it.
Why retract it toot sweet after everyone in the world reacted?
We know why.

 

[west didsblue]

Yes, I did post that again in error, my apologies, the post has been amended since you responded to a piece from the Indy.
And in response to your second point, no I don't find it strange at all, as what was that signed up to was abused at the first sign of a self inflicted harm via vaccines within the EU, ie; Von de Leyen, in a fit of pique that was swiftly, and grovellingly retracted.
It looks like we're not going to putting up with these kinds of stunts anymore,
in that whenever they see this country progressing they immediately attempt to undermine it in this fashion. We'll see what the govt do about it shortly.

And I did say that Post was amended, it was an error but hey-ho.
No, I don't find it strange, in any way at all, but I know why you do.

Thanks for the two responses to the same post. It really isn’t necessary.

However the last sentence of the second response has left me wondering what you know about why I think Johnson’s actions are somewhat strange. I’ll let you know if you’re right.

 

[BlueHammer85]

London based shipping company (I won’t mention until public) whom our company have close ties with are relocating to Denmark with Brexit being the main cause - the employees have the option to work there or redundancy.
it’s a real shame, I know a lot of the people there and have a beer up with them once in a while.