Political relations between UK-EU

[journolud]

The logic was “because it’s 0.01% of GDP, if it’s the difference between a deal and no deal it should be sacrificed” or something generally along those lines.

People, me included were mocking Johnson and the leave movement for being so hung up on fish, when it’s so ineffectual to the UK economy.

Suddenly it’s more important than vaccines to one or two.

Yeah, mainly the ones who make a living from it

 

[west didsblue]

I cannot wait for our friend from Dids and the others to claim this is a distraction from the real issue, the shellfish.

Forget the vaccine, the cockles are where the UK’s survival will be won and lost.

It certainly wasn't me that was bloviating about how we've got a great deal for fish. It's amusing to watch the Brexit fans, who only a month ago, were being triumphant about how we got one over on the EU on the fish front now trying to switch it round that it was Remainers who were obsessed. As you know it was regularly pointed out that the fishing industry was miniscule in the scheme of things, and the only reason there is focus on it now is the amount of importance the Brexiteers placed on it until it became clear that the industry is collapsing. Now it's supposedly Remainers who are obsessed with it. Do me a favour. Much of the fishing industry can't complain as they have got exactly what they voted for.

It's now rather pathetic that the new thing to boast about from a Brexit point of view is Covid vaccines. Everyone is absolutely delighted that our government got something right for once and the vaccine rollout is the envy of much of the world but putting it in a Brexit context is just opportunism and deflection and bears little relationship to reality. Brexit is about exports down 68%, the Irish Sea border problems, massively increased costs for importers, access restrictions to EU countries, the collapse of the fishing industry with livestock also on its way, the relocation of share trading from London to Amsterdam etc etc but we don't want to talk about any of that when we can boast about our vaccine programme.

 

[Ban-jani]

It certainly wasn't me that was bloviating about how we've got a great deal for fish. It's amusing to watch the Brexit fans, who only a month ago, were being triumphant about how we got one over on the EU on the fish front now trying to switch it round that it was Remainers who were obsessed. As you know it was regularly pointed out that the fishing industry was miniscule in the scheme of things, and the only reason there is focus on it now is the amount of importance the Brexiteers placed on it until it became clear that the industry is collapsing. Now it's supposedly Remainers who are obsessed with it. Do me a favour. Much of the fishing industry can't complain as they have got exactly what they voted for.

It's now rather pathetic that the new thing to boast about from a Brexit point of view is Covid vaccines. Everyone is absolutely delighted that our government got something right for once and the vaccine rollout is the envy of much of the world but putting it in a Brexit context is just opportunism and deflection and bears little relationship to reality. Brexit is about exports down 68%, the Irish Sea border problems, massively increased costs for importers, access restrictions to EU countries, the collapse of the fishing industry with livestock also on its way, the relocation of share trading from London to Amsterdam etc etc but we don't want to talk about any of that when we can boast about our vaccine programme.

literally everything you’ve written there didn’t happen in this thread.

are you alright?

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I guess if V signs hurt their poor little feelings, imagine what fucking their expert trade will do?

Hurt feelings or a thriving business? Tough choice.

It certainly demonstrates the hypocrisy of the white,affluent, privileged Remain crowd. No concern whatsoever for the fishing industry during the campaign. Indeed such was the contempt these working class lads and lasses were held in by Captain Geldof and his ilk, Cap’n Bob and his fellow chaps saw fit to hire a motor craft at considerable expense for the purpose of sailing it down the nations busiest river simply to use this as a way to call these hard working, concerned fellow citizens Wankers and tell them to Fuck Off on national television.

That was the priority. That was the best use of his time and his money - much of it earned from the tragedy of black families dying of starvation - He didn’t use that surplus cash to donate to a soup kitchen, he didn’t use it to help out a local charity. No, he used his surplus cash to tell working class people “you’re wankers” and “fuck off” Simply because they disagreed with his view of the world.

That was also the moment when millions of other working class people realised, in full HD, exactly what the suburban set actually thought of them.

That was the moment that hit home.

That was the moment the referendum was won for Leave.

That was the moment our country was saved.

You can take your fake concern for people you wouldn’t ordinarily piss on if they were on fire. They know you don’t mean it. They know you really think they are wankers and are beneath you. They have memories. So do I. And on June 23 2016 I used that memory in the voting booth.

Working class solidarity won. Affluent privileged sneering lost.

Thank you. You and yours made the case for Leave far better than the leave campaign could ever have dreamed of doing themselves.

 

[Ban-jani]

Yeah, mainly the ones who make a living from it

In a population of 67,000,000, 12000 work as fishermen and that has been steadily decreasing for decades.

And only a percentage of those 12000 are in trouble now.

We’ve seen single companies put more people at risk of redundancy than the amount affected in the Brexit fishing debacle, in the last 12 months, due to Covid.

Let’s get some perspective here.

 

[BobKowalski]

I don’t imagine they were consulted in the dying embers of negotiations

Nor where the people of NI and their political representative, ditto Scotland, the Services sector being approx 80% of our economy, school kids getting kicked out of Erasmus, the fashion industry and the music industry with its specific needs on travel, the City and financial services where we didn’t get equivalence and we now have the BoE Governor urging the EU not to cut off the City from Europe....

I could go on, but it’s a long list.

 

[blueparrot]

It certainly demonstrates the hypocrisy of the white,affluent, privileged Remain crowd. No concern whatsoever for the fishing industry during the campaign. Indeed such was the contempt these working class lads and lasses were held in by Captain Geldof and his ilk, Cap’n Bob and his fellow chaps saw fit to hire a motor craft at considerable expense for the purpose of sailing it down the nations busiest river simply to use this as a way to call these hard working, concerned fellow citizens Wankers and tell them to Fuck Off on national television.

That was the priority. That was the best use of his time and his money - much of it earned from the tragedy of black families dying of starvation - He didn’t use that surplus cash to donate to a soup kitchen, he didn’t use it to help out a local charity. No, he used his surplus cash to tell working class people “you’re wankers” and “fuck off” Simply because they disagreed with his view of the world.

That was also the moment when millions of other working class people realised, in full HD, exactly what the suburban set actually thought of them.

That was the moment that hit home.

That was the moment the referendum was won for Leave.

That was the moment our country was saved.

You can take your fake concern for people you wouldn’t ordinarily piss on if they were on fire. They know you don’t mean it. They know you really think they are wankers and are beneath you. They have memories. So do I. And on June 23 2016 I used that memory in the voting booth.

Working class solidarity won. Affluent privileged sneering lost.

Thank you. You and yours made the case for Leave far better than the leave campaign could ever have dreamed of doing themselves.

I presume your job or business isn’t put at risk by a shit deal then, well done.

 

[metalblue]

Nor where the people of NI and their political representative, ditto Scotland, the Services sector being approx 80% of our economy, school kids getting kicked out of Erasmus, the fashion industry and the music industry with its specific needs on travel, the City and financial services where we didn’t get equivalence and we now have the BoE Governor urging the EU not to cut off the City from Europe....

I could go on, but it’s a long list.

I refer the honourable Bob to my previous evidence (aka post of) on the matter of time ;)

 

[Chris in London]

I never saw that argument, what was the logic behind seeing it as a sacrifice if we got a deal rather than no deal?

Two issues are being conflated.

The ‘fishing is 0.1% of our GDP’ issue was largely about quotas and the Common Fisheries Policy. That issue was resolved on the basis of a reduction over time of the EUs access to U.K. waters. The argument was that this sacrifice - continuing to allow EU access to U.K. waters - would be justified by securing a good deal on (eg) services (though we didn’t actually get that).

What is currently killing the fishing industry is not their ability to land fish, or the level of the EUs access to our waters, it’s the U.K. fleet’s inability to sell its catch to the EU. That is because there are now barriers to U.K./EU trade which did not exist previously.

 

[west didsblue]

literally everything you’ve written there didn’t happen in this thread.

are you alright?

It literally did; in this or its immediate predecessor that was locked on NYE.
And yes I'm fine.