Political relations between UK-EU

[Len Rum]

Does that go against WTO rules by giving the EU an advantage over other countries?
Will other countries be able to go to WTO arbitration to get the same privileges as we're giving the EU which would further disadvantage UK industry?

In theory yes.
Individual firms who are disadvantaged could take the UK to the WTO Court. The bottled water threat would be a good example because without checks EU could simply carry on supplying UK. @Invisible Man's Bandage
But the WTO is pretty toothless in this regard.
Given that it's early days probably not a lot will happen but it can't continue much into next year.
Also a bit of an embarrassment to Brexiters who have been parroting 'WTO rules', 'WTO rules' as a panacea for trade with the EU now find the UK already falling foul of said rules.

 

[west didsblue]

I was thinking of another to be honest. One who has never left the country.

Or Gorton for that matter.

 

[west didsblue]

In theory yes.
Individual firms who are disadvantaged could take the UK to the WTO Court. The bottled water threat would be a good example because without checks EU could simply carry on supplying UK. @Invisible Man's Bandage
But the WTO is pretty toothless in this regard.
Given that it's early days probably not a lot will happen but it can't continue much into next year.
Also a bit of an embarrassment to Brexiters who have been parroting 'WTO rules', 'WTO rules' as a panacea for trade with the EU now find the UK already falling foul of said rules.

Embarrassed Brexiter?
Not a chance.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

In theory yes.
Individual firms who are disadvantaged could take the UK to the WTO Court. The bottled water threat would be a good example because without checks EU could simply carry on supplying UK. @Invisible Man's Bandage
But the WTO is pretty toothless in this regard.
Given that it's early days probably not a lot will happen but it can't continue much into next year.
Also a bit of an embarrassment to Brexiters who have been parroting 'WTO rules', 'WTO rules' as a panacea for trade with the EU now find the UK already falling foul of said rules.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but let me explain how importing goods from the EU works. I am the sole UK employee of a large German specialty chemicals company supplying into the UK printing industry. All the products I sell are made in Germany so now following Brexit when they arrive in the UK they can't be delivered to my customers until they have been cleared on the Customs system. This means that UK customs knows exactly what has been imported. So if EU bottled water was prohibited for instance then it would never be cleared.

My sales so far this year are 25% ahead of plan as a lot of packaging that was being produced outside the UK is being brought back as the end customer (supermarkets, brand owners etc) want shorter supply chains. My biggest customer (Austrian owned) is moving to a site three times bigger than the current one as they need to increase capacity. All my packaging customers are really busy and most are ordering new printing presses to cater for the increased demand. There will be winners and losers and it will take a year or two to see exactly which industries do better and which do worse.

 

[Len Rum]

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make but let me explain how importing goods from the EU works. I am the sole UK employee of a large German specialty chemicals company supplying into the UK printing industry. All the products I sell are made in Germany so now following Brexit when they arrive in the UK they can't be delivered to my customers until they have been cleared on the Customs system. This means that UK customs knows exactly what has been imported. So if EU bottled water was prohibited for instance then it would never be cleared.

My sales so far this year are 25% ahead of plan as a lot of packaging that was being produced outside the UK is being brought back as the end customer (supermarkets, brand owners etc) want shorter supply chains. My biggest customer (Austrian owned) is moving to a site three times bigger than the current one as they need to increase capacity. All my packaging customers are really busy and most are ordering new printing presses to cater for the increased demand. There will be winners and losers and it will take a year or two to see exactly which industries do better and which do worse.

Thank you.
So just to be clear how does a lorry load of EU bottled water get stopped at the border ( assuming UK has banned it).

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Yeah, not the best choice of words. Definite yellow card.

I thought it was funny

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Thank you.
So just to be clear how does a lorry load of EU bottled water get stopped at the border ( assuming UK has banned it).

I'd say it depends on what checks might be done on foodstuffs but it doesn't need to be stopped at the border to prevent it being sold. My products aren't routinely stopped I believe and after after a day or so delay at the incoming ports to begin with (mainly Calais) it seems to be back to normal. Once in the UK they can't leave the receiving warehouse until they are cleared on the customs website. There are delays at that point if customers are using their own customs brokers as many of them have untrained staff doing it. When our logistics company do it then it is more or less seamless so once people know the system then it seems to be very straightforward and all online.

So for any goods the UK deem prohibited then even if they are physically in the country they can't legally be sold.

 

[Len Rum]

I'd say it depends on what checks might be done on foodstuffs but it doesn't need to be stopped at the border to prevent it being sold. My products aren't routinely stopped I believe and after after a day or so delay at the incoming ports to begin with (mainly Calais) it seems to be back to normal. Once in the UK they can't leave the receiving warehouse until they are cleared on the customs website. There are delays at that point if customers are using their own customs brokers as many of them have untrained staff doing it. When our logistics company do it then it is more or less seamless so once people know the system then it seems to be very straightforward and all online.

So for any goods the UK deem prohibited then even if they are physically in the country they can't legally be sold.

Thanks for that.
I think what you're saying if that legitimate parties are involved then border checks are not crucial or even necessary.
If however parties are not operating within the law then I would think excise and duty officers would have to be involved in checking sales within UK market.

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Thanks for that.
I think what you're saying if that legitimate parties are involved then border checks are not crucial or even necessary.
If however parties are not operating within the law then I would think excise and duty officers would have to be involved in checking sales within UK market.

I can't see a big demand for snide Evian being sold from vans on rough estates, can you?

 

[aguero93:20]

I can't see a big demand for snide Evian being sold from vans on rough estates, can you?