Political relations between UK-EU

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Vic said:
Well, one's said "major" and another has said "sizeable", so I'd be interested in how they're defined. But I'll happily bow to those who have done what they call sizeable.

I fail to see how any Brexit-related work stream could be protected from the political environment.

Let's face it, most change management begins with a change that someone has already decided ought to happen, and they won't take kindly to any consultation that fails to agree that it's worth doing, and most end with a change that fails to deliver the expected outcome. Congratulations if your sizeable programmes have been different.
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Take the piss all you like mate. its Not just the budget which have run into 100s £millions, but the consequences if things go wrong which feature numbers many times that. You learn that belt and braces is probably not a bad ethos. workstreams communicate through project structures. A number of them will have appointed individuals or teams to speak to external (to the programme) stakeholders. When you have many 1000s of individuals working, you need a controlled environment, not a free for all.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
A TOM!
First question of any struggling programme. Do you have a target operating model? If the answer is no, you know you are fucked.
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FFS - Now we are talking.....

I am going to stop here - needs a more 'considered input and i am having a beer and on my phone

Just good to hear some 'echo' of understanding

That said - and briefly - the number of times that I review government programmes (some very large - £billions) and amongst the recommendations are '....do a TOM....' - is probably 7 out of 10.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Percy Pig sweets to rise in price due to tariffs


Impact of goods made in the Eu ... but exported to the UK only to be reimported to the Eu
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Excellent news; obesity is costing the NHS billions every year, a reduction in portions of unhealthy foods like Percy Pig sweets can only be a good thing. BREXIT just keeps on giving.
 
mcfc1632 said:
FFS - Now we are talking.....

I am going to stop here - needs a more 'considered input and i am having a beer and on my phone

Just good to hear some 'echo' of understanding

That said - and briefly - the number of times that I review government programmes (some very large - £billions) and amongst the recommendations are '....do a TOM....' - is probably 7 out of 10.
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Not being facetious but do you reckon the Brexit change program falls into the bracket of the other 3 put of 10.
I know it’s nothing you were involved in, just looking for your opinion.
Just briefly, I know your opinion of pre 2019 is different to after, but do you think that level of planning was ever done.
 
Vic said:
Well, I don't know the answer (and I presume you don't) - I assume it was always possible to export shellfish before we joined the EEC but it's totally irrelevant. Within the EU, shellfish exports have vastly increased - because of the single market - and your Brexit may kill off parts of the UK's fishing industry. YOUR Brexit.
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Come on Vic....

Get over the constant barbs and moaning
 
Watching 4th in the BBC2 Cornwall A Fishing Life series - not many young fishermen involved (this episode about fishing out of coves). One 71-year-old with a small boat who voted Remain - because of the export market - but dual-edged comment about EU policy (good for conserving stocks, bad for letting French boats catch more than locals). Two crew - Ecuadorian and Bulgarian (18 years here; and thinks UK leaving the EU would be good - he feels British but is going back to Bulgaria). The catch is couriered to sushi restaurants in London (having shown the customer pictures of the fish). And realistic about the pay needed to attract Brits to work on boats.

Then another who took the government funds to scrap his boat... (I didn't quite follow how his quota had been worked out to make it not viable.)

Biggest question seems to be where the mackerel have gone...* And too many crabs to be good for other fish.

Twitter used to tell "high end" customers in Surrey (not Wokingham) that the lobsters will be in their local fish shop first thing in the morning.

* One guy reckons they've just gone from British waters to Greenland because of global warming, others blaming big trawlers.

(Filmed last summer - this episode more than others about Brexit)

And when the mackerel do turn up, there's a seal taking fish off the line!

It's quite a fascinating series. BBC iPlayer - Cornwall: This Fishing Life - Series 1: Episode 4
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Take the piss all you like mate. its Not just the budget which have run into 100s £millions, but the consequences if things go wrong which feature numbers many times that. You learn that belt and braces is probably not a bad ethos. workstreams communicate through project structures. A number of them will have appointed individuals or teams to speak to external (to the programme) stakeholders. When you have many 1000s of individuals working, you need a controlled environment, not a free for all.
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Taking the piss? I wasn't taking the piss. I'm just very sceptical about most aspects of management speak, "change management" included, when - from what I can see - most structural change doesn't deliver the looked-for outcomes.
 
Vic said:
Taking the piss? I wasn't taking the piss. I'm just very sceptical about most aspects of management speak, "change management" included, when - from what I can see - most structural change doesn't deliver the looked-for outcomes.
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You’re sceptical about terms like “change management”?

Have you ever worked in a business that employs over 15 people before?
 
Ban-jani said:
You’re sceptical about terms like “change management”?

Have you ever worked in a business that employs over 15 people before?
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I'm not being critical. Some of the language and concepts are like a foreign bloody language if you have never had to live with them. Some of the disciplines are hard to take even for those that have.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not being critical. Some of the language and concepts are like a foreign bloody language if you have never had to live with them. Some of the disciplines are hard to take even for those that have.
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I’m not denying that, I am questioning why he quoted Change Management as a term he’s sceptical of.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not being critical. Some of the language and concepts are like a foreign bloody language if you have never had to live with them. Some of the disciplines are hard to take even for those that have.
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Yeah, my eyes glazed over a bit when you starred yelling A TOM! :)
 
Well, we have had a bit of a warm up in the first week, but Telegraph now reporting that French authorities have instructed ports via letter to step up customs checks/controls from Monday.

Follows an FT story at a meeting on Thurs, in which French read “the riot act” to ferry and port operators about incorrect paperwork and not following procedures to the letter.

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BobKowalski said:
Well, we have had a bit of a warm up in the first week, but Telegraph now reporting that French authorities have instructed ports via letter to step up customs checks/controls from Monday.

Follows an FT story at a meeting on Thurs, in which French read “the riot act” to ferry and port operators about incorrect paperwork and not following procedures to the letter.

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Big deal, was it really worth it?
 
Ban-jani said:
I’m not denying that, I am questioning why he quoted Change Management as a term he’s sceptical of.
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A. It's not what I said.
B. Why did you butt in?
C. People have been managing change long before anyone made "change management" an MBA module. Try creating the NHS.
D. Most of the time it doesn't work.

www.linkedin.com

Why 'change management' is becoming a bad word

This is what five people, with different roles, from different organisations had to say about their change management experiences. 'Change management is a bad word around here, we’ve been through 14 change managers in the last 2 years and every single one has failed.
www.linkedin.com www.linkedin.com
 
Saddleworth2 said:
I'm not being critical. Some of the language and concepts are like a foreign bloody language if you have never had to live with them. Some of the disciplines are hard to take even for those that have.
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"If you talk to a man in a language he understands, that goes to his head. If you talk to him in his language, that goes to his heart." Nelson Mandela
 
Vic said:
A. It's not what I said.
B. Why did you butt in?
C. People have been managing change long before anyone made "change management" an MBA module. Try creating the NHS.
D. Most of the time it doesn't work.

www.linkedin.com

Why 'change management' is becoming a bad word

This is what five people, with different roles, from different organisations had to say about their change management experiences. 'Change management is a bad word around here, we’ve been through 14 change managers in the last 2 years and every single one has failed.
www.linkedin.com www.linkedin.com
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A. You did
B. It’s an open forum, you butt* in all the time
C. It’s not just an MBA module, it’s a legitimate and important role
D. It’s a process
 
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