Political relations between UK-EU

[BlueHammer85]

As a poster who came to the conclusion that leaving the EU was the correct thing to do, I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What posters are doing though is blaming Brexit, rather than blaming the idiots in charge of negotiating Brexit. If Labour had backed Brexit we would have a Labour government instead of this bunch of lying halfwits in charge,

Its not Brexit's fault there are problems, its the Tories fault, they never had a plan, they still don't have a plan and they make it up as they going along. What they did was what Tories do, they bought into a populist movement and let the headbangers on the far right of the Tory party dominate, the far right of the Tory party is dangerous, its not the party it used to be, it is now reactionary rather than cautious.

They got us the worst PM in our history in charge, a fool so out of his depth I would not put him charge of organising a chimps tea party. He is still lying every day, because it is all about him, Brexit was a means for him to get his name on the Eton's honour board as an alumni PM, which is all that mattered to him, the egotistical ****.

So you can keep blaming Brexit for our problems if you want, but for fucks sake have a look at why there are problems. Its not Brexit, it is the useless fucking Government we have in charge.

Everyone against Brexit knew full well it would be crap with or without the Tories, no chance it would be any better under Labour.
Leaving our biggest trade partners was always a bad idea whatever political side you are on.

 

[nmc]

Everyone against Brexit knew full well it would be crap with or without the Tories, no chance it would be any better under Labour.
Leaving our biggest trade partners was always a bad idea whatever political side you are on.

Definite rumblings in the Tory press of a ‘closer relationship with Europe’ - maybe code for ‘shit it’s not working we need to rejoin the customs union and the single market’ - I’m sure it’ll get spun differently but that’s the inevitable outcome to this mess.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Frosty the Showman sabre rattling again - it covers the fact that the "done" Brexit still isn't being done but rather delayed - and threatening the Article 16 empty threat which he knows he can't go through with without there being dreadful repercussions for the UK. In the end the EU are going to tell us to stick our delays either shit or get off the pot and start giving interviews damning the UK Govt for putting off their OWN Brexit plans.

Brexit: EU nervous UK will 'blow up' trading arrangements

The EU is nervous about the potential of the UK Government to 'blow up' the Northern Ireland protocol, it has been claimed.

www.express.co.uk

 

[bluethrunthru]

To fail to prepare is to prepare to fail

Heathrow criticises Border Force for 'unacceptable' queues

The airport says too few staff were on duty at passport control as families returned from holiday.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Saddleworth2]

As a poster who came to the conclusion that leaving the EU was the correct thing to do, I still think it was the correct thing to do.

What posters are doing though is blaming Brexit, rather than blaming the idiots in charge of negotiating Brexit. If Labour had backed Brexit we would have a Labour government instead of this bunch of lying halfwits in charge,

Its not Brexit's fault there are problems, its the Tories fault, they never had a plan, they still don't have a plan and they make it up as they going along. What they did was what Tories do, they bought into a populist movement and let the headbangers on the far right of the Tory party dominate, the far right of the Tory party is dangerous, its not the party it used to be, it is now reactionary rather than cautious.

They got us the worst PM in our history in charge, a fool so out of his depth I would not put him charge of organising a chimps tea party. He is still lying every day, because it is all about him, Brexit was a means for him to get his name on the Eton's honour board as an alumni PM, which is all that mattered to him, the egotistical ****.

So you can keep blaming Brexit for our problems if you want, but for fucks sake have a look at why there are problems. Its not Brexit, it is the useless fucking Government we have in charge.

Brexit was always going to be a shitshow irrespective of party unless it was the lightest touch Brexit with us remaining in the single market. This is the Brexit that England wanted and voted for. I do agree with you about Johnson and the tories though. Utterly corrupt, incompetent and dishonest.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Definite rumblings in the Tory press of a ‘closer relationship with Europe’ - maybe code for ‘shit it’s not working we need to rejoin the customs union and the single market’ - I’m sure it’ll get spun differently but that’s the inevitable outcome to this mess.

Let’s hope so.

 

[west didsblue]

Frosty the Showman sabre rattling again - it covers the fact that the "done" Brexit still isn't being done but rather delayed - and threatening the Article 16 empty threat which he knows he can't go through with without there being dreadful repercussions for the UK. In the end the EU are going to tell us to stick our delays either shit or get off the pot and start giving interviews damning the UK Govt for putting off their OWN Brexit plans.

Brexit: EU nervous UK will 'blow up' trading arrangements

The EU is nervous about the potential of the UK Government to 'blow up' the Northern Ireland protocol, it has been claimed.

www.express.co.uk

Interesting that the Express refers to Frost’s Brexit trade agreement as the “hated deal” without a hint of irony.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Definite rumblings in the Tory press of a ‘closer relationship with Europe’ - maybe code for ‘shit it’s not working we need to rejoin the customs union and the single market’ - I’m sure it’ll get spun differently but that’s the inevitable outcome to this mess.

It's hard to see the tories going into the next election with things as they are - and things are about to get worse.

But the problem for Tories is that they have committed to a very harsh brexit and with brexit there is very little middle ground available. You are either in the SM/CU or not. Tories know that to re-open the talks in any meaningfull way will just get them back to that binary choice. So they cant do anything signficant without rowing back the whole 5 years of brexit shit we have had already. I dont see them as willing to go back to the drawing board and the mess will still be evident at the next election and they will just have to defend it. I see no other choice for them - they committed to this shit outcome and they have to brass it out.

The labour strategy seems to be to sit back and let them own it. For an ardent remainer (rejoiner) its very frustrating but you do have to wonder if the kind of headlines as above would be coming out if Starmer was bashing BJ with brexit related issues at every opportunity. Starmer has removed the politically polarised arguments and is just letting the reality speak for itself. BJ would love to blame Labour for getting in the way or siding with the EU - that argument has been neutralised. It will no doubt come back at the next GE but by then you would hope that peoples views on the merits of brexit will be very much different.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

It's hard to see the tories going into the next election with things as they are - and things are about to get worse.

But the problem for Tories is that they have committed to a very harsh brexit and with brexit there is very little middle ground available. You are either in the SM/CU or not. Tories know that to re-open the talks in any meaningfull way will just get them back to that binary choice. So they cant do anything signficant without rowing back the whole 5 years of brexit shit we have had already. I dont see them as willing to go back to the drawing board and the mess will still be evident at the next election and they will just have to defend it. I see no other choice for them - they committed to this shit outcome and they have to brass it out.

The labour strategy seems to be to sit back and let them own it. For an ardent remainer (rejoiner) its very frustrating but you do have to wonder if the kind of headlines as above would be coming out if Starmer was bashing BJ with brexit related issues at every opportunity. Starmer has removed the politically polarised arguments and is just letting the reality speak for itself. BJ would love to blame Labour for getting in the way or siding with the EU - that argument has been neutralised. It will no doubt come back at the next GE but by then you would hope that peoples views on the merits of brexit will be very much different.

Don't disturb your enemy whilst he's making a mistake - Napoleon.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Don't disturb your enemy whilst he's making a mistake - Napoleon.

Exactly.

But at some point Labour have to offer something else - I guess they delay as long as possible. The longer they wait the worse brexit looks and the more appealing their alternative looks.