Political relations between UK-EU

[mancity2012_eamo]

Correct - it is a long time since I have been invited to play;-)

play nice with the other children when you get the chance.
You’ll get plenty of chances then.

 

[Vic]

And the Daily Express wakes up:

Brexit deal betrayal as 'crucial section' missing from text to benefit Macron and Merkel​

BORIS JOHNSON's Brexit trade deal does not include an EU-wide arrangement for financial services because France and Germany wanted to focus on goods, which was to their economic advantage, the former director of Special Projects at Vote Leave has claimed.​

 

[west didsblue]

Without seeing/reading the article - I would wholeheartedly agree

If there are costs to such groups due to no failing of there own there should be a fund for compensation and processes to manage transition - it is just a basic part of professional management

Don’t you think it would be an incredible irony if the taxpayer needed to bail out the fishing industry because of Brexit. That industry was supposed to be one of the main benefisheries (miss-spelling intended) of Brexit. If the main beneficiary needs bailing out what hope for the rest?

 

[BobKowalski]

And the Daily Express wakes up:

Brexit deal betrayal as 'crucial section' missing from text to benefit Macron and Merkel​

BORIS JOHNSON's Brexit trade deal does not include an EU-wide arrangement for financial services because France and Germany wanted to focus on goods, which was to their economic advantage, the former director of Special Projects at Vote Leave has claimed.​

Think we’ll file this under ’no shit’

 

[Rascal]

Afternoon Rasc' hope you're well?
I've reead your input on this and am a bit surprised at your take on the EU. i think i can understand the ''business' side of your stance (wealth creation, expansion, growth etc) but the 'people' or socialist aspect of your beef has me confused.
The way i see it regarding the union, and being in it, is much better for 'society' and us citizens. EU cash has been used to directly help me and others where i work as well as giving a hand to lift up blighted areas and communities across the country.
Employment laws and free movement meant anyone could look for work or a new life or just love by exploring the eu countries hassle free. We could mingle with our 'neighbours' and forge new friendships at every level. Sharing cultures naturally and easily can only be a good thing surely? More room to grow and far less chance of aggro between the nations. After all, history tells us it's the 'little man' that gets the shit end of that particular stick.
I've always looked at our (UK) governments as dangerous and untrustworthy, although living through the thatcher years and then blair shitting on us that's no surprise. The EU seemed to actually care about the poor, the workers and general health and well being of people. In this regard i saw them as a 'safety net' against the shit tricks and lies successive uk governments have laid on us.

Probably help if i tell you i think of socialism as a philosophy that aims to govern with equality and 'kindness' and not have profit at any cost as its major goal.

I am good my old friend thanks. Hope you are too.

The EU has some good points, i am on record as saying i would want further integration and an EU superstate that had the chance to be a Socialist EU superstate. However I wasn't comfortable with the status quo as that served to enhance capitalism. It put limits on state spending, as in they had to stay within parameters set by the ECB which hampered countries who wished to use Keynesian economic theory to get out of economic slump. The EU is designed as a free market kind of utopia with a nod to social protections i accept, but we could have more protections for workers and we could have our own say on economic policy.

Freedom of movement, was not just about our freedom to go to Ibiza on a beano, it was freedom of movement for Employers too, that meant they could take jobs out of the country by moving to another part of the EU to take advantage of lower wages. Some people call this 'social dumping'. It's about undercutting local wages and conditions by shipping in workers from overseas or basing your company's legal status on wherever saves you the most money or where you recieve the highest subsidy. That results in competing interests between employers and employees and the ECJ tends to side with the Employer's which can lead to an erosion of workers rights.

I would consider the EU as a barrier to Democratic Socialism rather than Social Democracy, The EU is not implicitly against nationalisation but it is for competition and aims to prevent monopoly, so in reality you cant have a Nationalised rail service as that would be a monopoly. If you nationalised the railways you have to allow competition and offer equal subsidy to any competitor to the nationalised service which sort of defeats the point of nationalisation. It tries to stop state aid as it creates unfair competition although in reality it cant and there are ways around it if you are devious. But as we Brits are always up for fair play we don't obviously.
The main thrust of European economic policy has been to extend and deepen the market through liberalisation, privatisation, and flexiblisation, subordinating employment and social protection to goals of low inflation, debt reduction, and increased competitiveness, basically it is a neo-liberal construct of its time, although it does have echoes of Scandi Social democracy.

I was as i said all for changing the EU from within, but there was no political will in this country to do that, it was status quo or leave, status quo is unacceptable, so that left the leave option.



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[mcfc1632]

Correct in trying to be all things to all men, it ended up being nothing to anyone.

And now Macarthyite Vic has cunningly outed me as a Communist insurgent, kind of like the forum red under the bed I expect he thinks i am an agent of Putin or some other wild eyed fanatic intent on destroying democracy.

Hmmmmm

Having seen you have been outed - I was thinking of appointing you to the role of:

"Not the Messiah - just a very naught boy'

But that is taken - I will need to think of something else

 

[mcfc1632]

Ok, so you're delighted where we are in spite of the rank amateurish management.

The problem you have failed to identify in spite of your years of experience is that the agreement fundamentally screws over numerous industries for the reasons that are clearly described in Bob's post, including the fishing industry in particular. However well the implementation of Brexit is managed it can't get over the fact that the FTA is utterly flawed in numerous areas which is becoming more and more apparent every day with the difficulties exporters and importers are facing by additional time consuming red tape, and the consequences of the rules of origin regulations. These fundamental problems can't be smoothed over by good management. There are a whole new set of regulations that need to be adhered to which adds cost and time to every transaction, to the point where many businesses are pulling out because it's no longer cost effective.

If I want advice on managing major programmes you would be the last person I would ask based on your clear lack of understanding of what is going on.

Your desperate need to try and catch me out just makes you make a fool of yourself - as with this post.

If you understood such matters.............

Well - at least there is progress of sorts.....

You have at least moved on to acknowledging that I have ".....years of experience...." It was not that long ago you kept calling me a liar and fantasist.

But - yes you have indeed done it again - trying to catch me out and making a fool of your self.

If you did understand such matters - it would be obvious to you that every word of your post and example you give is wholly wrong.

The examples you give are exactly the sorts of things that would be identified and a mitigation/action determined. Every single one that you list - and literally hundreds/thousands of others - would indeed be identified and addressed through workstream planning conducted as part of good management.

Do yourself a favour mate - look for something else to stalk me on - arguing best practice on PPM and Change Management is not going to go well for you - but you are welcome to try

 

[west didsblue]

Well - at least there is progress of sorts.....

You have at least moved on to acknowledging that I have ".....years of experience...." It was not that long ago you kept calling me a liar and fantasist.

But - yes you have indeed done it again - trying to catch me out and making a fool of your self.

If you did understand such matters - it would be obvious to you that every word of your post and example you give is wholly wrong.

The examples you give are exactly the sorts of things that would be identified and a mitigation/action determined. Every single one that you list - and literally hundreds/thousands of others - would indeed be identified and addressed through workstream planning conducted as part of good management.

Do yourself a favour mate - look for something else to stalk me on - arguing best practice on PPM and Change Management is not going to go well for you - but you are welcome to try

No surprises in your response. Just bloviation and another fatuous accusation of stalking.
Jog on.

 

[mcfc1632]

(In the EU) overseas seafood exports from Scotland rose nearly 1000% since 2007.

Shock - horror!!

A reply that makes a a point you want to make - but does not the answer the question that was asked

My gob is (not) smacked

 

[stonerblue]

You don’t agree with me that’s fine but I’m no WUM.

You fucking wind me up.....:)