Political relations between UK-EU

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hampshireblue said:
Welsh ports like Holyhead are really struggling. The major route form Eire to EU was via the UK. This appeara to be drying up and Stena line have just started a Dublin-Cherbourg ferry for the first time and many hauliers are now diverting onto that route. Small fry you may say but it all sucks money from our economy be it form service station stops or lorries not refuelling in the UK and so loss of taxes.
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Well, only to counter the bloviator's insults that I knew nothing, could I just repeat my post from August 2019 about direct sailings Ireland to the EU?

"It's one good thing to come out of Brexit - fewer HGVs on the M6 and M62 (and should make our trip to Norwich easier without all those Irish lorries heading for Felixstowe). Not so good for transport cafes on the route."

And last November:

"It would be interesting to tot up the benefit of the land bridge to the English economy. Service stations, transport cafes, tax on fuel bought in the UK...

Big benefit for air quality on the A55 / M62, M6, A14. 'Brexit boost for Brum as EU lorries take to the seas.'" I maybe didn't think it would also affect ro-ro via Dover to the same extent.

And the current problems are compounded because the "deal" was left to the last minute. If they really were delaying in the hope that the EU would "move" if we proved we were stupid enough to think we had a viable no-deal option, then Frost and Co are actually guilty of a misjudgment that is already costing us dear.
 
The deal removes the UK as a transit and distribution hub and supply chains will reconfigure around the UK cutting us out. In theory UK business could band together and finance EU based transit and distribution hubs to cut down their export costs, but there are still going to be additional costs including the cost of the hub. Not sure if that solution helps with foodstuffs that are time sensitive.

The EU are going to be indifferent to our problems and the Govt will have no appetite to try and change things, likely their focus will be on how to ‘take advantage’ of our new found independence without attracting tariff penalties (Nissan) under the deal. Given the Govt‘s legendary competence I would suggest not holding your breath on the brilliant wheezes Johnson and his chums cook up.

The Telegraph today blamed Merkel for Brexit, proving that our ability to avoid responsibility for our own actions is undiminished, although I was confused as to why ‘blame’ was attached. I would have thought they would be thanking her.
 
BobKowalski said:
The deal removes the UK as a transit and distribution hub and supply chains will reconfigure around the UK cutting us out. In theory UK business could band together and finance EU based transit and distribution hubs to cut down their export costs, but there are still going to be additional costs including the cost of the hub. Not sure if that solution helps with foodstuffs that are time sensitive.

The EU are going to be indifferent to our problems and the Govt will have no appetite to try and change things, likely their focus will be on how to ‘take advantage’ of our new found independence without attracting tariff penalties (Nissan) under the deal. Given the Govt‘s legendary competence I would suggest not holding your breath on the brilliant wheezes Johnson and his chums cook up.

The Telegraph today blamed Merkel for Brexit, proving that our ability to avoid responsibility for our own actions is undiminished, although I was confused as to why ‘blame’ was attached. I would have thought they would be thanking her.
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Well it was always going to be the fault of the remainers and foreigners when it all went to rat shit. I didn't think it would happen within a month though. But remember, they knew what tehy were voting for!
 
hampshireblue said:
Welsh ports like Holyhead are really struggling. The major route form Eire to EU was via the UK. This appeara to be drying up and Stena line have just started a Dublin-Cherbourg ferry for the first time and many hauliers are now diverting onto that route. Small fry you may say but it all sucks money from our economy be it form service station stops or lorries not refuelling in the UK and so loss of taxes.
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Guess what? Turns out we did need them more than they need us................
 
Ban-jani said:
My entire point is there is practically zero impact on the daily lives of most people.

Only really immigration as a positive and a small number of people economically as a negative.
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It's going to be a drip drip effect as it was always going to be. The odd 5% price rise here and there, investment going elsewhere etc. And as for immigration, what will change is not the numbers but the origin of those people who come here and invariably end up doing the jobs our own don't want to do. And let's not forget, the country being out of the EU is meant to be better, not the same, better.
 
hampshireblue said:
It's going to be a drip drip effect as it was always going to be. The odd 5% price rise here and there, investment going elsewhere etc. And as for immigration, what will change is not the numbers but the origin of those people who come here and invariably end up doing the jobs our own don't want to do. And let's not forget, the country being out of the EU is meant to be better, not the same, better.
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The numbers will drastically change, anyone who has seen the policy knows that.
 
Ban-jani said:
It won’t and isn’t.
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It will. My mum couldn’t get bananas in her weekly shop. She blamed Brexit and she voted for it.

We will be affected by higher prices and less choice based on the deal we have struck. Just the simple act of posting a parcel to NI and paying higher delivery charges means you are affected. It will impact in hundreds of little ways that will constrain us and cost more.

Restricting the UK population in terms of movement, cultural links, and economically is the whole point of Brexit. That it was sold as the opposite will always be a fault line in the UK. That it was done in a way that ran counter to what the Northern Irish and Scottish people wanted will exacerbate that fault line.
 
BobKowalski said:
It will. My mum couldn’t get bananas in her weekly shop. She blamed Brexit and she voted for it.

We will be affected by higher prices and less choice based on the deal we have struck. Just the simple act of posting a parcel to NI and paying higher delivery charges means you are affected. It will impact in hundreds of little ways that will constrain us and cost more.

Restricting the UK population in terms of movement, cultural links, and economically is the whole point of Brexit. That it was sold as the opposite will always be a fault line in the UK. That it was done in a way that ran counter to what the Northern Irish and Scottish people wanted will exacerbate that fault line.
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Does that mean she’s right? I’ve not noticed any price rises nor anything I wanted but couldn’t get. Am I right then?

The economy is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I feared.
The cultural links and movement of people is a huge positive for me from Brexit. I quite link our culture and I don’t support freedom of movement so it’s a plus.
 
Ban-jani said:
It won’t and isn’t.
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It will and it is. The fact that it’s incremental and cumulative means that you might not notice for a while but we’re only 3 weeks in. There’s no shortage of stories about people that it’s badly affected already but it is affecting nearly everyone to some extent. Still waiting for a Brexit good news story. Maybe debt collectors will notice a few positives soon as their businesses grow.
 
west didsblue said:
It will and it is. The fact that it’s incremental and cumulative means that you might not notice for a while but we’re only 3 weeks in. There’s no shortage of stories about people that it’s badly affected already but it is affecting nearly everyone to some extent. Still waiting for a Brexit good news story. Maybe debt collectors will notice a few positives soon as their businesses grow.
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I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.
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I’ve not noticed any effect on immigration just like you haven’t noticed any effect on the price of your shopping.

The difference is that there’s no shortage of evidence of import and export problems which will inevitably translate to higher prices and less choice.

The impact on immigration will take longer, be less noticeable and might not end up the way you think it will. There is no evidence yet as to what will happen as a result of the new policy and what impact changes to the economy will have.
 
Ban-jani said:
Does that mean she’s right? I’ve not noticed any price rises nor anything I wanted but couldn’t get. Am I right then?

The economy is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I feared.
The cultural links and movement of people is a huge positive for me from Brexit. I quite link our culture and I don’t support freedom of movement so it’s a plus.
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I have no idea, she just blamed Brexit. Every time someone hits a hiccup, a price rise, a shortage in seasonal fruit or veg they are going to blame Brexit, whether they are right or not is irrelevant, that will be the narrative.

The economy is on its knees from Covid so if you think things ‘aren’t that bad’ then I have no idea what you expected, nor am I surprised you like to shutter yourself away from ‘foreigners and their influences’ but there are millions who are not quite so ‘blinkered’ shall we say. For a libertarian you sure do like Govt restricting where people go, and who they mix with. I imagine you popped open the champagne when they scrapped Erasmus. Can’t have our British kids mixing with European ones. They might catch ‘Europeanisem’.
 
Ban-jani said:
I’ve given you the good news but you don’t recognise it as you disagree on immigration.

Regarding the bad news, the economy and issues for people trading is why I voted remain but it’s been nowhere near as bad as I thought and I think people on this thread type ‘bad news AND Brexit’ into a search and go looking for stories of cafes closing down in Kent.

It’s a bit shit but I genuinely think people want it to be a disaster.

Covid is colossal compared to Brexit implications, I think that’s where the focus should be.
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I don’t think people need to type in specific search terms to find these bad news stories, they are being reported in the mainstream media, including some that was pro Brexit.

Quite rightly there is an overwhelming focus on COVID but that shouldn’t detract from reporting the realities of Brexit. Most of us are capable of thinking about both and more besides
 
journolud said:
I don’t think people need to type in specific search terms to find these bad news stories, they are being reported in the mainstream media, including some that was pro Brexit.

Quite rightly there is an overwhelming focus on COVID but that shouldn’t detract from reporting the realities of Brexit. Most of us are capable of thinking about both and more besides
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There’s stories posted on here that I don’t see reading the Independent, Telegraph etc. that are posted off Twitter.

It may not just be searches but they follow #FBPE accounts and then that’s all their Twitter feed is.
 
urban genie said:
Yup not only fucking up our own ports and surrounding towns prosperity it is affecting Irelands food industry, though I expect leavers won't give a toss abput that bit


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Haven’t noticed too many empty shelves here yet, although Tesco is definitely more impacted than Lidl or Aldi, but according to the reports I’ve seen on RTE our hauliers and warehouses are saying that they were more prepared than Britain in general and stockpiled pre-Christmas.

We may see more shortages in the coming three weeks as stockpiles of frozen goods diminish.

In short we haven’t really noticed a huge difference, but about 20 % of small business are being badly impacted through confusion and ill-preparedness. New trade routes and suppliers will be found and life will go on.

It’s difficult to measure with Covid going on too, but I do think using Britain as a link to the continent will be greatly impacted as will casual tourism. I don’t know if I’d drive across anymore. Don’t think I would bring the dog, which is one of the main reasons I bring the car.
 
Vic said:
Well, only to counter the bloviator's insults that I knew nothing, could I just repeat my post from August 2019 about direct sailings Ireland to the EU?

"It's one good thing to come out of Brexit - fewer HGVs on the M6 and M62 (and should make our trip to Norwich easier without all those Irish lorries heading for Felixstowe). Not so good for transport cafes on the route."

And last November:

"It would be interesting to tot up the benefit of the land bridge to the English economy. Service stations, transport cafes, tax on fuel bought in the UK...

Big benefit for air quality on the A55 / M62, M6, A14. 'Brexit boost for Brum as EU lorries take to the seas.'" I maybe didn't think it would also affect ro-ro via Dover to the same extent.

And the current problems are compounded because the "deal" was left to the last minute. If they really were delaying in the hope that the EU would "move" if we proved we were stupid enough to think we had a viable no-deal option, then Frost and Co are actually guilty of a misjudgment that is already costing us dear.
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That’s pretty much the route I take going to my sister in Suffolk.
As I said in another post, I’m not sure I’ll drive again even though the route should be quieter, as I’m not sure what the situation with bringing a pet is.
I usually bring the dog. Not sure about it now. If it’s just a pet passport, fine. He has one already.
 
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