Political relations between UK-EU

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BobKowalski said:
It won’t, no one is seriously suggesting it would are they? We have trade agreements via the EU rollovers with over half of the countries anyway.

No harm in joining the thing, it will make Brexiteers feel better, but to quote Henig it is ‘of marginal economic benefit given that value chains of production remain mostly regional and provisions are limited in services and non-tariff barriers.’

It’s a collection of similar sized countries, so politically it may be useful, collective voice on trade issues, that sort of thing.
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Yep - but such a distance away

Shame the EU could not be content to be a trading bloc and became determined to force full integration
 
bluethrunthru said:
Does seem odd that they champion leaving a trade bloc that lives over the road so we can free ourselves of its rules and regs and further champion joining another trade bloc thats on the other side of the world and signing up to its rules and regs - and thats what Brexit was about?
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Well I suppose they would argue it’s a trading bloc rather than a political bloc
 
BobKowalski said:
Meanwhile back in the real world...from the FT.

‘UK’s £35bn fashion industry warns of “decimation” from Brexit - big names sign open letter to Johnson urging action. Many of 50,000 SMEs on the rack due to VAT, customs and work permit issues. The lack of a mobility section in the deal also causing issues.

So where is the British government in all this? Well, pretty impotent really - it just issues statements saying it is working with industry, it wants to "seize new opportunities" and, oh, it has helplines that it spent money on...but then what else can it say?

There are some things in the UK's gift that the industry is asking for - like putting garment workers on the occupation shortage list, but on the really big stuff - customs, VAT, free movement - well, that's what we asked for. We wanted to be Canada...now we are.’
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BobKowalski said:
Also more fishy news...

‘British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU - PoliticsHome‘

apple.news

Exclusive: British Shellfish Exports Banned Indefinitely From The EU — PoliticsHome

The European Union has told the UK shellfish industry that thousands of tonnes of oyster, mussel, clam, cockle and scallop exports are banned from the bloc indefinitely.
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Really disappointing - and even more so because both situations could have been mitigated/impact reduced if only the Remainer led government had started the required planning work in 2016/17

Your hero Hammond carries a lot of the blame.

Meanwhile - back in the real world.....

The UK voted to leave the EU - including the SM and CU

I know - easy to forget - it was *checks notes* 23/06/2016
 
metalblue said:
Well I suppose they would argue it’s a trading bloc rather than a political bloc
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The details have yet to be seen..............remember the Common Market and how Leavers hated how it developed? You join a bloc......particularly late and out of desperation like we did with the Common Market?
 
Vic said:
Belatedly, I wonder if that has united Remainers and Leavers, in that May hadn't a clue.

But I bet most Leavers on here loved "Brexit means Brexit".
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I can only speak for myself, but I strongly doubt that

Putting aside your attempt to demean Leavers again through that comment (why this constant need to deride?) - Like myself, given that May could not express anything beyond those 3 words, I would suspect most Leave supporters on here just thought she was a pathetically vacuous muppet

That is because we Leave supporters on here are actually not thick - sorry to disappoint you
 
bluethrunthru said:
Does seem odd that they champion leaving a trade bloc that lives over the road so we can free ourselves of its rules and regs and further champion joining another trade bloc thats on the other side of the world and signing up to its rules and regs - and thats what Brexit was about?
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Does - it?

You are not paying attention

Leavers on here have confirmed that they would have been glad to Remain in the EU if only the EU had been content to be a Trading Bloc

Do keep up
 
mcfc1632 said:
Does - it?

You are not paying attention

Leavers on here have confirmed that they would have been glad to Remain in the EU if only the EU had been content to be a Trading Bloc

Do keep up
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what will their view be in 6 - 10 years time when Australia and Canada want to start making rules and insisting that the other members follow them? When Japan start wanting to issue quality controls on foodstuffs and so on? Will that be another bloc there is a 20 year campaign to leave? Eventually you run out of trading blocs and have to come to terms with the fact that you are the snarky cunts who wants to have your cake and eat it and that constant arguing to make our economy smaller means nobody wants us anyway? Maybe we should start our own bloc now? Oh wait we can't we have already hived off NI and Gibraltar ........ we will never learm
 
bluethrunthru said:
the view from the states - wouldn't fancy being a Tory MP in a fishing constituency or one where the biggest employer is a fish processors....or haulage of fish products and shellfish right now. What they need to do is form a Recovery Group. Thats what they do isn't it splinter and form like and FRG or something?

www.nbcnews.com

They voted for Brexit. Now many British fishermen feel betrayed.

Fishermen complain of broken government promises, while exporters say they are choking on red tape.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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I don't think I've heard that "independent coastal state" mantra for a few weeks.
 
bluethrunthru said:
what will their view be in 6 - 10 years time when Australia and Canada want to start making rules and insisting that the other members follow them? When Japan start wanting to issue quality controls on foodstuffs and so on? Will that be another bloc there is a 20 year campaign to leave? Eventually you run out of trading blocs and have to come to terms with the fact that you are the snarky cunts who wants to have your cake and eat it and that constant arguing to make our economy smaller means nobody wants us anyway? Maybe we should start our own bloc now? Oh wait we can't we have already hived off NI and Gibraltar ........ we will never learm
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Total non sensible gibberish.
Non of them will want to give their sovereignty away. Non.
 
mcfc1632 said:
Really disappointing - and even more so because both situations could have been mitigated/impact reduced if only the Remainer led government had started the required planning work in 2016/17

Your hero Hammond carries a lot of the blame.

Meanwhile - back in the real world.....

The UK voted to leave the EU - including the SM and CU

I know - easy to forget - it was *checks notes* 23/06/2016
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Yet again - other than Caketown and Unicornville - what could have been done to avoid the non-tariff barriers of not being in the CU and SM?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Total non sensible gibberish.
Non of them will want to give their sovereignty away. Non.
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and where do you have that assurance from? Or is it just you hope? Reality is the latter. You grow a bloc and those who see themselves as bigger will want to flex their muscles and exercise control - thats what happened with the EU and what Lavers found so distasteful. It human nature - gang culture if you like -- somebody wants to be the boss always will.
 
bluethrunthru said:
and where do you have that assurance from? Or is it just you hope? Reality is the latter. You grow a bloc and those who see themselves as bigger will want to flex their muscles and exercise control - thats what happened with the EU and what Lavers found so distasteful. It human nature - gang culture if you like -- somebody wants to be the boss always will.
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You seriously think Korea will want to have any sort of union with Japan? Or Vietnam share its sovereignty with with anyone else?
None of the countries want to rekindle past glories. None.
 
BlueAnorak said:
You seriously think Korea will want to have any sort of union with Japan? Or Vietnam share its sovereignty with with anyone else?
None of the countries want to rekindle past glories. None.
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who mentioned Korea or Vietnam? Re-read my post. I didn't. Your simplistic naivety it touching - so desperate are you to want this to happen ( and remember we have applied they haven't said yes yet. Or is this another bloc that needs us more than we need them? ) lets revisit in 5 years IF we get in unconditionally and lets see what rules and regulations we are compelled to sign up for. Meanwhile shell fishing that exports to the EU is over. Success !!!!!!?
 
bluethrunthru said:
what will their view be in 6 - 10 years time when Australia and Canada want to start making rules and insisting that the other members follow them? When Japan start wanting to issue quality controls on foodstuffs and so on? Will that be another bloc there is a 20 year campaign to leave? Eventually you run out of trading blocs and have to come to terms with the fact that you are the snarky cunts who wants to have your cake and eat it and that constant arguing to make our economy smaller means nobody wants us anyway? Maybe we should start our own bloc now? Oh wait we can't we have already hived off NI and Gibraltar ........ we will never learm
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Strange post

Really strange post
 
bluethrunthru said:
who mentioned Korea or Vietnam? Re-read my post. I didn't. Your simplistic naivety it touching - so desperate are you to want this to happen ( and remember we have applied they haven't said yes yet. Or is this another bloc that needs us more than we need them? ) lets revisit in 5 years IF we get in unconditionally and lets see what rules and regulations we are compelled to sign up for. Meanwhile shell fishing that exports to the EU is over. Success !!!!!!?
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Now I'm willing to bet, and the talks start in Spring, that this will be yet
another swift process, and that you will be on here saying, 'Yeah buts.'
I know this for an absolute cast iron certainty, because it's an easy process that we've been watching from you and yours. Nissan, which you must have spent half your life talking down and regaling us with little snips and quotes, doesn't appear to have cooled the fanaticism, and that's just one of the probably now dozens, of doom scenarios that failed to materialise.
I'll give you £50 quid if the deal isn't finalised within 18 months.
Fancy a bet?

*Edit, make it a ton if you like ;)
 
bluethrunthru said:
The details have yet to be seen..............remember the Common Market and how Leavers hated how it developed? You join a bloc......particularly late and out of desperation like we did with the Common Market?
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We know for a fact the CPTPP is very different to the EU today - it is a trading bloc with no courts and no inherent political structure. And apparently it has zero ambition for any of that either, it just wants to remain a simple trading bloc rather than the “project” the EU has become.

If the EU had remained a common market I doubt we would even have had a referendum let alone left.

Anyway I think the biggest hurdle is the conflicting aspects of joining CPTPP and the brexit deal still need to be figured out. Long way to go, more details needed like you say, but on the surface it seems a sensible move, one I’m sure even the most ardent of remainders could get behind as well
 
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