Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[worsleyweb]

Quite possibly human error, but if the human error was someone acting as an elected official then its political and is to do with the political parties.
Equally the building regs are a matter of legislation and therefore if the regs themselves are at fault then its political.
If the human "error" was deliberate then its possibly a criminal offense and still possibly political if the "error" should have been found with correct oversight by the council

Its all speculation at this point, until the investigation into the fire is completed.

Lets agree on your last line - so no one should be using it for political gain until facts are know. Agreed?

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

What's increasing year on year sorry bud?

the number of homeless , mainly, men in Manchester , on the streets, its a sad state of affairs.

 

[The perfect fumble]

hundreds may have died and its perfectly proper and correct that senior political figures go and sympathise with the victims and the families of the victims.
if they all stay away then it will appear that the victims are being ignored.
Go, sympathise, dont make a political speech blaming the other side. Jeremy went, sympathised and didnt blame the conservatives. Some of the victims made political comments, but surely thats their right. It would have been equally their right to have a go at Jeremy if they had wanted

as for politics, both left and right have entrenched views. We can debate that if you want?

Substantive posts from the left go unanswered time and time again, it's the Overton window, there is only a limited range of ideas certain posters will accept. If you step outside that range you are a zealot. I've lost count of the number of times I've been accused of being hard left when all I and others advocate is mainstream social democracy, of the sort common on the continent but considered dangerous Marxism here.

If you look at what Corbyn is suggesting, it is, with the exception of Trident, to the right of Harold Wilson, he is a socialists yes and he comes from the socialist wing of the Labour Party, but the Labour Party itself is not a socialist party, it is a social democratic broad church party. What remnants of socialism that existed in Labour's constitution, the infamous clause IV, was inserted in to the Labour Party constitution at the end of the 1st World War by Sidney Webb, but this was expunged by Blair in the 90's in his short lived attempt to create a new party, New Labour.

New Labour is now dead, some genuinely lament its passing, but those that make the most noise in here are simply Tories making mischief.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Doesnt matter about cash - building control have to sign something off - it has to be compliant. they don't care about budgets it has to comply. Somewhere errors have been made. It is not political.

If control have failed, it might still be political as to why.

I'd not necessarily been thinking of the standards people, but to my mind, it falls under the same concept - it might be an error (but ye gods, it's inconceivable that anyone worth employing would do that), but it might be an effect of policy.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Quite possibly human error, but if the human error was someone acting as an elected official then its political and is to do with the political parties.
Equally the building regs are a matter of legislation and therefore if the regs themselves are at fault then its political.
If the human "error" was deliberate then its possibly a criminal offense and still possibly political if the "error" should have been found with correct oversight by the council

Its all speculation at this point, until the investigation into the fire is completed.

Again, only if the reason why there is a failure is due to policy. is it political. A reg can be wrong for reasons other than policy.

 

[The perfect fumble]

lol.
Another reasoned rebuttal.

Christ Almighty! You wait an age then three turn up at the same time...

 

[worsleyweb]

Substantive posts from the left go unanswered time and time again, it's the Overton window, there is only a limited range of ideas certain posters will accept. If you step outside that range you are a zealot. I've lost count of the number of times I've been accused of being hard left when all I and others advocate is mainstream social democracy, of the sort common on the continent but considered dangerous Marxism here.

If you look at what Corbyn is suggesting, it is, with the exception of Trident, to the right of Harold Wilson, he is a socialists yes and he comes from the socialist wing of the Labour Party, but the Labour Party itself is not a socialist party, it is a social democratic broad church party. What remnants of socialism that existed in Labour's constitution, the infamous clause IV, was inserted in to the Labour Party constitution at the end of the 1st World War by Sidney Webb but this was expunged by Blair in the 90's in his short lived attempt to create a new party, New Labour.

New Labour is now dead, some genuinely lament its passing, but those that make the most noise in here are simply Tories making mischief.

Or people who are not political genius's but see that every time labour get in power things seem to go tits up and things at the moment are not that bad at all. The government gave us a referendum - the people spoke and now they are trying to deliver it.

 

[worsleyweb]

Christ Almighty! You wait an age then three turn up at the same time...

i really suit my hat.

 

[pirate]

I see McDonnell is trying to rally the unions onto the streets to force another GE. Does he not realise that isn't how a democracy works?

dont you realise thats exactly how democracy works.

we have had an inconclusive general election. The largest party are trying to put together a government with a small and, some would say extreme, party. People disagree with whats she is doing so rally support and show the level that support by peacefully demonstrating, to put pressure on their elected MPs to vote against the queens speech.

 

[worsleyweb]

dont you realise thats exactly how democracy works.

we have had an inconclusive general election. The largest party are trying to put together a government with a small and, some would say extreme, party. People disagree with whats she is doing so rally support and show the level that support by peacefully demonstrating, to put pressure on their elected MPs to vote against the queens speech.

So the party that got nearly 50 less seats and less votes becomes the Government - seems reasonable - i think labour are extreme