Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[goalmole]

Ok, not the majority of votes but the US does not work that way and neither does it here. I mentioned numbers purely to illustrate that for some people the voting numbers are all that matters but they become irrelevant. Here however the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote which is 42.4% more than anyone else did, that makes them the popular party.

Trump won because he won the majority of states as according to the electoral college system, he basically just didn't win the big states like California and New York but he won everything else.

Here we elect an MP and the Conservatives have gained 55 more MP's than Labour and they gained more votes than Labour. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn has no mandate to form a government as it is impossible for him to establish a majority.

He lost, time for some to accept it.

The Tories didn't get 42.4% more votes than any one else. They got 2.4% more votes than Labour. They got 15.2% less than all the other parties combined. They are 8 short of a majority.
They are trying to do a deal with a partisan bunch of extremist sympathisers to keep them in power. With their support they will have a whopping majority of .......3seats.
Meanwhile Labour have gained the momentum and captured the voters imagination and shown that Corbyn is a man who cares for the ordinary person, while the Tories have been shown to be the arrogant , out of touch, aloof opportunists that they are.
Labour didn't win but it's hardly a ringing endorsement of the Tories, is it.

 

[goalmole]

It was doing a deal (several in fact) that paved the way for the relatively peaceful situation we now have in N. Ireland. The governments of Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and Blair all spoke directly to Sinn Fein and the IRA. "The pipe", as was known the conduit between the UK government and the IRA was kept open throughout the atrocities. If it had been closed, as was demanded by more than one PM, but rebuffed by the brighter parts of their respective governments, we'd still be seeing nationalist and loyalist murders on the scale we witnessed in the late 60s, 70s and 80s. Thankfully, it wasn't. Hard as it was/is to do deals with "those cunts", it's been proven to be the right thing. Peter Taylor, author of the troubles-defining trilogy "Brits" "Loyalists" and "The IRA" wrote a brilliant follow up: "Talking to The Terrorists". As the title infers, it's conversation that ultimately has to prevail.

So why then is Corbyn singled out as an IRA sympathiser when all he was doing was talking to them in an attempt to bring peace.
Can't have it both ways.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I wasn't alive when Thatcher came to power, I don't see how any of that line of thinking is relevant......treason....The way things are just cannot be tolerated....order and respect of democracy simply has to be maintained.

You're right, these malcontents are not one of us, in fact, you could call them the enemy within.

 

[Bigga]

Ok, not the majority of votes but the US does not work that way and neither does it here. I mentioned numbers purely to illustrate that for some people the voting numbers are all that matters but they become irrelevant. Here however the Conservatives won 42.4% of the vote which is 42.4% more than anyone else did, that makes them the popular party.

Trump won because he won the majority of states as according to the electoral college system, he basically just didn't win the big states like California and New York but he won everything else.

Here we elect an MP and the Conservatives have gained 55 more MP's than Labour and they gained more votes than Labour. Therefore Jeremy Corbyn has no mandate to form a government as it is impossible for him to establish a majority.

He lost, time for some to accept it.

I may be sh*t at maths, but I'm pretty sure Labour lost by 2.4% of the vote, not 42.4%!!

 

[Bigga]

So why then is Corbyn singled out as an IRA sympathiser when all he was doing was talking to them in an attempt to bring peace.
Can't have it both ways.

Been arguing the same point with ''worsleysweb' but, guess what?

He, conveniently, ducks an actual response!

Try it with him!

Even more odd is it's his main reason for not aligning with Corbyn!

LOL!

 

[inbetween]

I may be sh*t at maths, but I'm pretty sure Labour lost by 2.4% of the vote, not 42.4%!!

Obviously they didn't, the difference between the two was 2.4%, I was saying they gained 42.4% of the vote whereas no-one else did. It would be pretty difficult for someone to gain anything beyond 50% to gain a majority vote given we essentially have a two party politicial system along with whoever Scotland throws in the bag.

Unfortunately none of this matters all that much because we elect based upon seats, 326 to gain a majority, the Tories are 9 shy of that however most crucially in my thinking is Labour are 64 shy. At the deep end of what I am saying is they are also 800,000 votes shy...

Again, it is time to accept that Labour lost this election.

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is a video from late last year, it's part of a series called Rebuild and Transform on Corbyn's YouTube Channel.

I would recommend anyone with an open mind to give them a try.....

 

[franksinatra]

I may be sh*t at maths, but I'm pretty sure Labour lost by 2.4% of the vote, not 42.4%!!

No you are definitely wrong. Inbetween who told us the 'vast majority of americans voted for Trump', (even though he got less votes than Clinton) now assures us Labour got 42.4 percent less of the vote than the Conservatives. It must be your maths.

 

[goalmole]

Been arguing the same point with ''worsleysweb' but, guess what?

He, conveniently, ducks an actual response!

Try it with him!

Even more odd is it's his main reason for not aligning with Corbyn!

LOL!

This is what you get when you follow the rantings of a billionaire owned rag that is trying to preserve their owners vested interests and prejudices. They are shameless liars, by thoughtlessly parroting their agenda their readers become shameless liars as well.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It was doing a deal (several in fact) that paved the way for the relatively peaceful situation we now have in N. Ireland. The governments of Wilson, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major and Blair all spoke directly to Sinn Fein and the IRA. "The pipe", as was known the conduit between the UK government and the IRA was kept open throughout the atrocities. If it had been closed, as was demanded by more than one PM, but rebuffed by the brighter parts of their respective governments, we'd still be seeing nationalist and loyalist murders on the scale we witnessed in the late 60s, 70s and 80s. Thankfully, it wasn't. Hard as it was/is to do deals with "those cunts", it's been proven to be the right thing. Peter Taylor, author of the troubles-defining trilogy "Brits" "Loyalists" and "The IRA" wrote a brilliant follow up: "Talking to The Terrorists". As the title infers, it's conversation that ultimately has to prevail.

I would have thought it was obvious that I was referring to the Tories getting into bed with the DUP.