Possibly a different Labour leader would've done better, possibly they would have done worse. It's entirely hypothetical though. Not sure anyone's saying it's a "great result", but many think it's hugely significant. I'm not sure why you're so eager to downplay it.
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Possibly a different Labour leader would've done better, possibly they would have done worse. It's entirely hypothetical though. Not sure anyone's saying it's a "great result", but many think it's hugely significant. I'm not sure why you're so eager to downplay it.
jay_mcfc
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Goldsmith by only 45 votes. Seems to be the theme this election.
If there is another election in 6 months then there are a lot of marginals in play to make another big dent into the result.
Bigga
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Anyone assuming a second referendum is so far off the mark, it's a joke. Most people want the powers of the country back and not giving away the amount of wealth to Europe we have. That said, still trading with Europe and having reasonable movement is wanted. I can't see Corbyn wanting another referendum anyway as I suspect he wanted out too.
We will have second election, most likely.
There's no chance another challenge will come unless Corbyn gets anihiliated in a second election.
What is ABSOLUTELY clear is the 'fake news' propaganda so clearly present in our self serving media! Really glad the people that voted for Labour saw through it and now we just need to convince the others, in a second election, to look and listen to the man, not the media.
We will have second election, most likely.
That's what most thought about Corbyn. Having said that, it's quite possible that Labour would have won with a different leader. Doing better better than expected is perhaps more of a reflection of how low expectations of Corbyn were.
There's no chance another challenge will come unless Corbyn gets anihiliated in a second election.
What is ABSOLUTELY clear is the 'fake news' propaganda so clearly present in our self serving media! Really glad the people that voted for Labour saw through it and now we just need to convince the others, in a second election, to look and listen to the man, not the media.
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Magicpole
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FFS Scotland.
It is complicated and I will give my slant on what happened and why it happened later. I've been up all night...housebreaking and I need to find a buyer for a three piece suite and two sun beds first and maybe a kip.
Quite a night too politically. What strange times we live.
bluemoonmatt
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Well Well Well, I'll admit I didnt see this coming but I cant help but find the result really warming. I dont agree with Jay (no offence) I have been one of JC's biggest critics and while I'll have a (small) slice of humble pie this morning we still need to face the fact that Labour are still behind the tories whereas his nemesis Blair turned 70 seat deficit into a 253 seat majority. JC has merely nullified the Tories Majority, but nevertheless its nothing short of an astounding result.
From my pov the electorate have correctly rejected May, she is everything that is wrong with politicians. She joined the remain camp despite it being evident her convictions lay elsewhere, presumably with the intention of keeping her job when the widely expected remain vote won. Of course it didnt pan out like that, Dave did the right thing (as did Gideon but fuck him) but May? From my pov the people spoke and the Tories should have passed the baton to a brexiter, she made herself look precisely what she invariably is. An opportunistic career politician. She has lost her majority despite the weight of the countries vermin press backing her. Thats as close to a defeat as you can get.
I'm pleased for the LibDems especially now that prick Clegg is gone. Farron for me came across the most likable, he campaigned properly and never backed off or shyed away, so while I'm no LibDem I'm pleased for him. I'm delighted that the horrendous UKIP are finished, and equally pleased that the SNP have had a bad night. Its relatively inevatable that a party practically built on leaving the EU should, now its served its purpose die a slow death, the SNP however have been hell bent on turning themselves into a single issue party instead of campaigning for the best deal for scotland they've concentrated far to much energy seeking yet another referendum and they too have paid for it and I'm delighted
As for Labour JC has earned the right for people like me to shut it, that said though, if he wants to build on this result though, I still think he needs the embrace the wider party and electorate. We've had a stunning night but we still need to take the result for what it is. The WIDER electorate aren't ready for a far left mandate. He needs to get rid of liabilities like Abbott et al and bring a sprinkling of centre left to the table, else we'll never truly win over people in the seats we need, take over.
From my pov the electorate have correctly rejected May, she is everything that is wrong with politicians. She joined the remain camp despite it being evident her convictions lay elsewhere, presumably with the intention of keeping her job when the widely expected remain vote won. Of course it didnt pan out like that, Dave did the right thing (as did Gideon but fuck him) but May? From my pov the people spoke and the Tories should have passed the baton to a brexiter, she made herself look precisely what she invariably is. An opportunistic career politician. She has lost her majority despite the weight of the countries vermin press backing her. Thats as close to a defeat as you can get.
I'm pleased for the LibDems especially now that prick Clegg is gone. Farron for me came across the most likable, he campaigned properly and never backed off or shyed away, so while I'm no LibDem I'm pleased for him. I'm delighted that the horrendous UKIP are finished, and equally pleased that the SNP have had a bad night. Its relatively inevatable that a party practically built on leaving the EU should, now its served its purpose die a slow death, the SNP however have been hell bent on turning themselves into a single issue party instead of campaigning for the best deal for scotland they've concentrated far to much energy seeking yet another referendum and they too have paid for it and I'm delighted
As for Labour JC has earned the right for people like me to shut it, that said though, if he wants to build on this result though, I still think he needs the embrace the wider party and electorate. We've had a stunning night but we still need to take the result for what it is. The WIDER electorate aren't ready for a far left mandate. He needs to get rid of liabilities like Abbott et al and bring a sprinkling of centre left to the table, else we'll never truly win over people in the seats we need, take over.
Magicpole
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Goldsmith by only 45 votes. Seems to be the theme this election.
An SNP candidate won by 2 votes.
Scenes! Actually have a slight tear. Will need to get a coffee and properly sift through the rubble but to go from an assumed increased majority to a hung parliament..! To know the chances of May and Rudd pushing through their bullshit authoritarian agenda (and hard Brexit) are heavily diminished makes me happy indeed.
Even though in any normal election this result would be seen as a failure, for Corbyn to bring this result from where they were in the time they had is incredible. Makes you wonder if he'd been given a fair crack of the whip by both party and press what he could have achieved. Still may achieve. I hope to see a strong young voter turnout in the coming analysis. Can't wait to see more breakdown of how the various demographics and areas voted, including final voter turnout.
Let's hope we can come around the table now to form a better plan for even more people. And May can do one, the clown. Second Conservative leader to hold a vote on something they thought was a done deal and second leader to have it blow up in their face. Wouldn't be so bad if the first leader wasn't the one who immediately preceded her. You'd think if politicians have learnt anything these past couple of years it's not to assume anything of the electorate.
Even though in any normal election this result would be seen as a failure, for Corbyn to bring this result from where they were in the time they had is incredible. Makes you wonder if he'd been given a fair crack of the whip by both party and press what he could have achieved. Still may achieve. I hope to see a strong young voter turnout in the coming analysis. Can't wait to see more breakdown of how the various demographics and areas voted, including final voter turnout.
Let's hope we can come around the table now to form a better plan for even more people. And May can do one, the clown. Second Conservative leader to hold a vote on something they thought was a done deal and second leader to have it blow up in their face. Wouldn't be so bad if the first leader wasn't the one who immediately preceded her. You'd think if politicians have learnt anything these past couple of years it's not to assume anything of the electorate.
Magicpole
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Possibly a different Labour leader would've done better, possibly they would have done worse. It's entirely hypothetical though. Not sure anyone's saying it's a "great result", but many think it's hugely significant. I'm not sure why you're so eager to downplay it.
He's hurting, that's why. The worm has turned giving the country a left wing ticket that can be built upon. The main objective I wanted was to derail the Tories and although I'm gutted they win 12 seats in Scotland they voted Tory for different reasons.
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What a complete waste of time and money.
He's hurting, that's why. The worm has turned giving the country a left wing ticket that can be built upon. The main objective I wanted was to derail the Tories and although I'm gutted they win 12 seats in Scotland they voted Tory for different reasons.
I mean, Ruth Davidson is very popular in Scotland and it's reasonable to suggest the result could be sustained there.
Prestwich_Blue
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Tories saying publicly that May is the person best placed to carry on leading the party while privately they'll be ripping her to shreds.
Obviously the result is significant as the Tories no longer have an overall majority. I just feel it could have been more significant and an overall win for Labour with a different leader. Obviously that's hypothetical and we'll never know how it would have turned out otherwise.
The real significance will depend on if Labour can keep the momentum going. Perhaps they will, or maybe a change in Tory leadership will propel them forward again.
Interesting times ahead.
Difficult to see a new leader propelling the tories forward. We're about to enter brexit negotiations in horrible shape. In the next few months that's only going to mean bad news for the government. As far as May is concerned its about when rather than if she goes, but who would takeover? Johnson is still damnaged by his last leadership bid. It seems to be a choice between Rudd and Davis. However, just holding a leadership contest when brexit negotiations are starting will damage the tories.
PragueBlue
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Difficult to see a new leader propelling the tories forward. We're about to enter brexit negotiations in horrible shape. In the next few months that's only going to mean bad news for the government. As far as May is concerned its about when rather than if she goes, but who would takeover? Johnson is still damnaged by his last leadership bid. It seems to be a choice between Rudd and Davis. However, just holding a leadership contest when brexit negotiations are starting will damage the tories.
They have a difficult choice to make, that's for sure. The result has certainly made politics a lot more interesting than one party or the other having a large majority and being able to force through whatever they like.
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It's fair to say that May's assumptions when calling this election have bitten her on the arse big time,
then a lacklustre campaign still carrying those assumptions, with a far better campaign by Corbyn,
has produced a very unexpected result. Labour are still well short of overturning the Tories, but fair play,
Jezza can enjoy a smirk this morning.
then a lacklustre campaign still carrying those assumptions, with a far better campaign by Corbyn,
has produced a very unexpected result. Labour are still well short of overturning the Tories, but fair play,
Jezza can enjoy a smirk this morning.
Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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What a complete waste of time and money.
It's Belgium! It's a shambles! Mind, Clegg and Salmond have gone. Not all bad, then!
Prestwich_Blue
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The British people finally showed they are more interested in real political ideas rather than soundbites and vague promises.
kevin horlocks wand
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It's Belgium! It's a shambles! Mind, Clegg and Salmond have gone. Not all bad, then!
Yes and Robertson .
I think may needs to go as well.
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