Pre Match Thread: League Cup Final v Liverpool

[schfc6]

I don't actually remember Costel Pantilimon letting in any downright clownish goals — correct me if I'm wrong on that. Caballero did it as recently as last weekend. So the comparison is false. Poor call by Pellegrini. Sometimes giving your word to one individual has to take a back seat to the interests of the whole club — the team, the backroom staff, the owners, and us the fans. Ah well, let's see. I'll be totally behind the whole team, and that includes Caballero. But if Willy drops a complete clanger, the hatred for Pellegrini running through the entire blue end of the stadium will be palpable. And that would be a pity, because the man did guide us to the title and this trophy in his first year in.

I like ever sane City fan want Joe in pegs but we know it won't happen.

If Pellegrini has indeed promised Willy the cup games then he simply has to play.

The players will only respect their manager if he's true to his word. If he goes back on his word then he will lose all respect. For us it's easier to just want Joe in, but for the manager it isn't.
If he's promised him the shirt, he has to honour that promise. It would be much easier for him to play Hart, but how do you convince 25 senior pros your word is your bond if at the first sign of a problem you go back on your word?

It's much braver to select him, it's practically a no win situation for the manager and no lose if he plays Hart, apart from one thing, he's lost face.
It's braver and idiotic to play Willy, but credit to the fella, he's got bigger balls than me.

Willy must actually be s decent Keeper, he was very well rated in Spain. Although I think he's shite, but I'm not a manager.

On a side note, I don't think it had anything to do with his relationship with his Willy or sentiment, I just think he's a man of his word.

It shows me, along with the FA Cup last week that he still cares, he's still in this to win us things.
The easy route would be to do what us fans would do, he's still trying in his own way to win all he can.

 

[FantasyIreland]

If the league cup means nothing to Pellegrini, why has he gone full strength in every game?

The caballero decision will have been made at the beginning of the season to keep him motivated as number 2. I'd rather have joe but I totally understand if Pellegrini has promised him that cup , which he obviously has done. As a manager if you aren't seen as fair, or a man of your word, then you lose the dressing room. Part of his style is instilling confidence in his players by showing belief in them. That's what he's doing here.

It's bold and it's a risk. I hope it doesn't backfire.

I wouldn't have a problem with the loyalty aspect if the player concerned was capable.....recent form/evidence suggests he isn't.

 

[Eccles Blue]

I like ever sane City fan want Joe in pegs but we know it won't happen.

If Pellegrini has indeed promised Willy the cup games then he simply has to play.

The players will only respect their manager if he's true to his word. If he goes back on his word then he will lose all respect. For us it's easier to just want Joe in, but for the manager it isn't.
If he's promised him the shirt, he has to honour that promise. It would be much easier for him to play Hart, but how do you convince 25 senior pros your word is your bond if at the first sign of a problem you go back on your word?

It's much braver to select him, it's practically a no win situation for the manager and no lose if he plays Hart, apart from one thing, he's lost face.
It's braver and idiotic to play Willy, but credit to the fella, he's got bigger balls than me.

Willy must actually be s decent Keeper, he was very well rated in Spain. Although I think he's shite, but I'm not a manager.

On a side note, I don't think it had anything to do with his relationship with his Willy or sentiment, I just think he's a man of his word.

It shows me, along with the FA Cup last week that he still cares, he's still in this to win us things.
The easy route would be to do what us fans would do, he's still trying in his own way to win all he can.

I completely agree with this. I lost a lot of respect for Mancini when he dropped Pantilimon. I knew & heard all the arguments but it should never have happened & I still think the players had similar thoughts/feelings & that affected them. Caballero plays for City therefore had gets my total support once he's on that pitch.

 

[taleofbluehalves]

I completely agree with this. I lost a lot of respect for Mancini when he dropped Pantilimon. I knew & heard all the arguments but it should never have happened & I still think the players had similar thoughts/feelings & that affected them. Caballero plays for City therefore had gets my total support once he's on that pitch.

I hope he has the full support of our defence and midfielders so he has nothing to save!

 

[GaudinoMotors]

You lost respect for a manager playing the strongest team?
......and why wouldn't he be given total support by us all once he's on the pitch? We all want City to win, some of us just want to start from as strong a position as possible.
Nothing against the guy but his performances are consistently sub standard.
If you think you know how the players feel - How do you suppose they'd feel when a keeper whose performances have been so poor is persisted with and drops another clanger?

 

[Eccles Blue]

You lost respect for a manager playing the strongest team?
......and why wouldn't he be given total support by us all once he's on the pitch? We all want City to win, some of us just want to start from as strong a position as possible.
Nothing against the guy but his performances are consistently sub standard.
If you think you know how the players feel - How do you suppose they'd feel when a keeper whose performances have been so poor is persisted with and drops another clanger?

I lost respect for a manager who wasn't loyal to his player, if he was playing his strongest team how come we lost to Wigan who were relegated weeks later?

As for the players I didn't say I knew I said I thought they might have had.

 

[goatinho]

well imagine the presssure willy is under now? Everyone is watching every move and mistake. where as joe could come in and play his normal game.
pellers will have a LOT to answer for if the keeper fucks up again.....why put willy and the whole team under pressure from the start. fucking shit decision again.

 

[Silva_Spell]

I wouldn't have any problem with Willy if he was in decent form

You can talk about loyalty but is loyalty to one player - who will probably be gone in the sumer anyway - worth unsettling the back 4 (a back 4 which MP will probably change as well?

Is it fuck!

That's my biggest problem with MP, he leaves far too much to chance, simply relying on individual players to have a good day. That is not management.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I lost respect for a manager who wasn't loyal to his player, if he was playing his strongest team how come we lost to Wigan who were relegated weeks later?

As for the players I didn't say I knew I said I thought they might have had.

We didn't lose because of Joe and to be fair we wouldn't have lost because of Pants. There is every chance we could lose, if form is anything to go by, because of Willy.

 

[mancity1]

You lost respect for a manager playing the strongest team?
......and why wouldn't he be given total support by us all once he's on the pitch? We all want City to win, some of us just want to start from as strong a position as possible.
Nothing against the guy but his performances are consistently sub standard.
If you think you know how the players feel - How do you suppose they'd feel when a keeper whose performances have been so poor is persisted with and drops another clanger?

I can see arguments for both.

We are good enough to beat Liverpool with Willy in our team it depends on our attitude on the day.

What I will say is that MP has managed us poorly this year in the sense that he hasn't done enough to ensure we get all the points we should have got in the league.

If we had Guus in charge of us this season to name one manager I am confident we would be ahead of Leicester having played one game less.

Of course its down to opinion but I have a strong conviction on that front and the football we played would not be a lot different