Kolarov is no where near a 17 million pound player imo, decent player but theres a reason why we signed Clichy a year later. Dzeko is the biggest for me though, for 27 million player I expected more, not been his own fault though due to lots of rotation and I don't think the system fits him the best but we still massively over spent on him.BluessinceHydeRoad said:jake28 said:BluessinceHydeRoad said:For the first time since Sheikh Mansour arrived, City should avoid being fleeced. (I'm no cynic but)
I can't think of one player brought in after MH left when City have been fleeced! Think of any player brought in by Mancini who has not increased in value while here. And I include Boateng and Savic!
Kolarov,Nasri,Milner and Garcia...probably Sinclair aswel.
Sinclair is still at the club and according to reports City will get at least their money back if he leaves this summer. Garcia is in his first season at the club and in the Pl and it is far too soon to judge his success or resale value, but after a slow start he's looking good. Nasri has been disappointing, but by that I mean not the player we thought we'd bought, but again there'd be a queue of clubs for him if he leaves and the price will be high. Kolarov got injured against Spurs on his debut and was out for quite a while, but when he came back was a member of the FA cup winning team and a valuable one. He's lost out to Clichy over the last two seasons but has come in and played well whenever called on. He has weaknesses defensively, as all full backs do these days but going forward he can be excellent. As for Milner, we bought a regular England international for which anyone pays more and he's proved an excellent player for City. I accept that "who has not increased in value while here" is not exactly what I meant, but we have never been fleeced under Mancini, and overwhelmingly he's bought excellent players who have done well at and for the club, though in a rather depressed market their resale value may be lower.
BluessinceHydeRoad said:For the first time since Sheikh Mansour arrived, City should avoid being fleeced. (I'm no cynic but)
I can't think of one player brought in after MH left when City have been fleeced! Think of any player brought in by Mancini who has not increased in value while here. And I include Boateng and Savic!
Goose_Grease said:Best piece I've read on FFP (although analysing UEFA's version it is still relevant to its Premiership counterpart):
<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/eslj/issues/volume9/geey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/e ... ume9/geey/</a>
Click the pop-out option for easier reading and skip to the sections that interest you (ie its legalities) if you're pushed for time. From reading this I'd say FFP looks like a hard thing to have overturned in court.
In France they have a very successful system of governing their football clubs finances, and this is in the form of an independent commission that checks each club's accounts periodically to make sure no-one is running into too much debt. Something I do not understand is why the likes of ourselves, Chelsea and other similar minded clubs didn't push for something akin to this system, which would have really troubled Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United, whose motives are obviously much less noble than their pretence. It
Itseems ideal to "avoid another Portsmouth" as most clubs voted to do without weakening the Premiership, and attack would have been the best form of defence as far as the likes of Liverpool/Arsenal/Manchester United's pushing of these rules onto us goes.
City Raider said:Goose_Grease said:Best piece I've read on FFP (although analysing UEFA's version it is still relevant to its Premiership counterpart):
<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/eslj/issues/volume9/geey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/e ... ume9/geey/</a>
Click the pop-out option for easier reading and skip to the sections that interest you (ie its legalities) if you're pushed for time. From reading this I'd say FFP looks like a hard thing to have overturned in court.
In France they have a very successful system of governing their football clubs finances, and this is in the form of an independent commission that checks each club's accounts periodically to make sure no-one is running into too much debt. Something I do not understand is why the likes of ourselves, Chelsea and other similar minded clubs didn't push for something akin to this system, which would have really troubled Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United, whose motives are obviously much less noble than their pretence. It
Itseems ideal to "avoid another Portsmouth" as most clubs voted to do without weakening the Premiership, and attack would have been the best form of defence as far as the likes of Liverpool/Arsenal/Manchester United's pushing of these rules onto us goes.
I only read the conclusion but had to laugh at the last sentence that said ffpr might encourage organic growth - how are clubs supposed to grow and compete organically when as soon as you have a player on your books who can lead you to the next level - a big club cherry picks him?
I'm just waiting to see how many days into the next window it will be before we hear an unambitious chairman use the excuse to their fans - 'we wanted to sign him but would have been in breach of fair play'
City Raider said:Goose_Grease said:Best piece I've read on FFP (although analysing UEFA's version it is still relevant to its Premiership counterpart):
<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/eslj/issues/volume9/geey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/e ... ume9/geey/</a>
Click the pop-out option for easier reading and skip to the sections that interest you (ie its legalities) if you're pushed for time. From reading this I'd say FFP looks like a hard thing to have overturned in court.
In France they have a very successful system of governing their football clubs finances, and this is in the form of an independent commission that checks each club's accounts periodically to make sure no-one is running into too much debt. Something I do not understand is why the likes of ourselves, Chelsea and other similar minded clubs didn't push for something akin to this system, which would have really troubled Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United, whose motives are obviously much less noble than their pretence. It
Itseems ideal to "avoid another Portsmouth" as most clubs voted to do without weakening the Premiership, and attack would have been the best form of defence as far as the likes of Liverpool/Arsenal/Manchester United's pushing of these rules onto us goes.
I only read the conclusion but had to laugh at the last sentence that said ffpr might encourage organic growth - how are clubs supposed to grow and compete organically when as soon as you have a player on your books who can lead you to the next level - a big club cherry picks him?
I'm just waiting to see how many days into the next window it will be before we hear an unambitious chairman use the excuse to their fans - 'we wanted to sign him but would have been in breach of fair play'
The situation you describe seems an easy one to avoid, just check each club's accounts and determine sanctions before the season starts, rather than after as in that case.BluessinceHydeRoad said:City Raider said:Goose_Grease said:Best piece I've read on FFP (although analysing UEFA's version it is still relevant to its Premiership counterpart):
<a class="postlink" href="http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/elj/eslj/issues/volume9/geey/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/law/e ... ume9/geey/</a>
Click the pop-out option for easier reading and skip to the sections that interest you (ie its legalities) if you're pushed for time. From reading this I'd say FFP looks like a hard thing to have overturned in court.
In France they have a very successful system of governing their football clubs finances, and this is in the form of an independent commission that checks each club's accounts periodically to make sure no-one is running into too much debt. Something I do not understand is why the likes of ourselves, Chelsea and other similar minded clubs didn't push for something akin to this system, which would have really troubled Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United, whose motives are obviously much less noble than their pretence. It
Itseems ideal to "avoid another Portsmouth" as most clubs voted to do without weakening the Premiership, and attack would have been the best form of defence as far as the likes of Liverpool/Arsenal/Manchester United's pushing of these rules onto us goes.
I only read the conclusion but had to laugh at the last sentence that said ffpr might encourage organic growth - how are clubs supposed to grow and compete organically when as soon as you have a player on your books who can lead you to the next level - a big club cherry picks him?
I'm just waiting to see how many days into the next window it will be before we hear an unambitious chairman use the excuse to their fans - 'we wanted to sign him but would have been in breach of fair play'
I lived in France and their system certainly didn't work that well. I remember one year coming home for a spring break believing our local team had won the title, only to find when we went back that they'd been relegated for "financial mismanagement"! In the end the "courts" sorted the title out.
Examples of clubs being picked clean of their best players are Spurs in 2006 (Carrick!) and, arguably in 2011 and Villa (Barry, Milner, Young and Downing).
Goose_Grease said:The situation you describe seems an easy one to avoid, just check each club's accounts and determine sanctions before the season starts, rather than after as in that case.BluessinceHydeRoad said:City Raider said:I only read the conclusion but had to laugh at the last sentence that said ffpr might encourage organic growth - how are clubs supposed to grow and compete organically when as soon as you have a player on your books who can lead you to the next level - a big club cherry picks him?
I'm just waiting to see how many days into the next window it will be before we hear an unambitious chairman use the excuse to their fans - 'we wanted to sign him but would have been in breach of fair play'
I lived in France and their system certainly didn't work that well. I remember one year coming home for a spring break believing our local team had won the title, only to find when we went back that they'd been relegated for "financial mismanagement"! In the end the "courts" sorted the title out.
Examples of clubs being picked clean of their best players are Spurs in 2006 (Carrick!) and, arguably in 2011 and Villa (Barry, Milner, Young and Downing).