Premier League's own FFP restrictions?

gordondaviesmoustache said:
LoveCity said:
Is this something we should be worried about? Not only FFP for Champions League but Premier League. What a surprise the established elite support it, scummy aristocratic clubs - Mohamed Fayed is completely right.

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Manchester United and Manchester City split by proposals on Premier League financial controls
Manchester United and Manchester City are on opposite sides of a new divide in the Premier League: whether the competition should introduce its own Uefa-style financial fair play regulations.


At the League’s annual meeting the idea of tighter financial controls being imposed on clubs was advanced by Liverpool. It gained the support of a number of their rivals, including United’s chief executive, David Gill, who had previously helped shape Uefa’s ground-breaking Financial Fair Play rules.

The delegation from Arsenal is believed to have spoken up in favour. The club’s owner, Stan Kroenke is, like Liverpool’s John W Henry and United’s Glazer family, familiar with restrictive financial regulations through the US sports franchises they own. West Ham United’s joint chairman David Gold also gave his approval.

Gold told The Daily Telegraph: “I was involved in bringing in the FFP rules in the Championship and at the time I thought should I get to the Premier League, I’ll lobby for it. I made it abundantly clear we shouldn’t be doing nothing. David Gill was marvellous. He made lots of sense. Even the big clubs now are saying we have to get to grips with costs.”

But the subject was not unanimously supported. Manchester City, whose owner, Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed al-Nahyan , subsidised spending with £43.3million in cash between June 1, 2009, and the end of May 2011, are believed to have cautioned that they would prefer to manage their business as they see fit.

Fulham, whose rise through the leagues was financed by ‘soft’ loans from the chairman, Mohamed Fayed, have also historically expressed the view that they would not endorse a system that “kills the dreams” of others. However, this time they did not push back against Liverpool’s proposal.

It all meant the Premier League executive staff have been tasked with drawing up a report on what proposals could be introduced. One option would be to adopt wholesale the Uefa FFP regulations.

Both Chelsea and United were instrumental in developing these, which require clubs to break even within a margin of “acceptable deviation” of €45 million (£35.5 million) over the first two years of their formal implementation – next season and the following.

Chelsea and United are confident of meeting Uefa’s rules despite their inclusion not just of cash expenditure but accounting charges relating to historical spending under “amortisation”. However, City will find that particularly challenging.

Their Premier League champions’ operating loss in the 2010-11 season alone – the most recent for which accounts are available – was £194.9 million. Even though some areas of this spending will be discounted as allowable, the discounts are unlikely to bring operating losses under FFP to within the £35.5 million cushion over two years.

David Gill, Manchester United’s chief executive, has told Parliament: “We were involved through the European Club Association, as were other clubs, such as Chelsea, who were on the working group to develop those proposals with Uefa.

“It made sense and was for the benefit of football clubs could operate within their own resources and it would bring about a limiting effect on player cost, in terms of transfers and wages.

“We are comfortable with it. The critical issue will be around implementation and the sanctions around that, and making sure that it is appropriately applied. But I do not think anyone can criticise the objective of ensuring that clubs operate within their own resources.”

How to guarantee compliance would be one of the biggest challenges of a new Premier League regulatory regime and this month Henry expressed his concerns about Uefa’s will to impose its own FFP regulations. But that view contrasts with recent Uefa actions.

The Court of Arbitration for Sport has upheld Uefa’s expulsion under financial fair play rules of Besiktas. The Turkish club will be banned from the next two European competitions for which it qualifies over the next five years.

The English top flight is the only league in the country not to have its own cost-restraint framework. Leagues One and Two have both implemented salary capping while the Championship has introduced a financial fair play system for this season based on the Uefa model. Championship clubs flouting Football League rules will be hit with a transfer embargo.

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I think as a club we should have a policy of opposing anything David Gill is in favour of.

Edit: And btw one way of ensuring that clubs can operate more readily within their means is if you share your ECL loot out a bit more David, seeing as you're such a supporter of that aspiration.

Gill is a MANUre employee. He will not have anyone else's interests at heart. Simple. I'd sooner trust a box or rattlesnakes.
 
Can't see what all the fuss is about, if these regulations were modelled on the European version (which we will have to comply with) one assumes we will comply with these. The only problem I can see is when they would be implemented if say five years from now I don't think we would have any worries, if next year then maybe some alarm bells. Just as all other types of regulations they would have to comply with EU law etc etc.
 
Rammyblues said:
Can't see what all the fuss is about, if these regulations were modelled on the European version (which we will have to comply with) one assumes we will comply with these. The only problem I can see is when they would be implemented if say five years from now I don't think we would have any worries, if next year then maybe some alarm bells. Just as all other types of regulations they would have to comply with EU law etc etc.

The fuss is about united and Liverpool's naked self-interest and the imperative to stop them achieving their aims, because as sure as night follows day they're only doing it with themselves in mind.

This is about more than City.
 
IH8MUFC said:
I am all for a salary cap in football so it really is fair. Calling it fair play when some clubs get champions league revenue, is a joke.

Salary caps are a waste of time and would only help the big clubs...
Say City and Villa wanted a top European player and they both could offer the same wages,who would player choose ??

The champions with CL football or the regular prem mid table side with no European football.??
 
the league needs a salary cap. The teams at the bottom have no chance of competing unless they are bought by a billionare
 
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Glazers' takeover "overly aggressive" and "unmanageable"
Even rag fans think he's a two faced twat.
 
bluebannana said:
the league needs a salary cap. The teams at the bottom have no chance of competing unless they are bought by a billionare
Salary caps don't work unless you have salary minimums as well. Period.
 
bluebannana said:
the league needs a salary cap. The teams at the bottom have no chance of competing unless they are bought by a billionare

It's always been that way, ever since football began.

Unless every league in the world agrees to the same salary cap and the govts of those countries agree to the same level of taxation, a salary cap would seriously harm the Premiership. You can forget about attracting the best players and being the best league.

This isn't about implementing fair play, it's about foreign(mostly american) investors wanting a return on their money.
 
I've got a funny feeling this will go the same way as the 39th game.

Reason being that 19 clubs will want the finances to be regulated (possibly simply to stop us), but will have many different opinions on how it should be done.

Clubs in danger of going down won't want a "gap" to be created when they might be out of the circle. Mid table sides will want that gap. Sides pushing for the top 4 will want a little leeway, in order to "break the bank" when they are close to the promised land. The cartel will want things as they were 4 years ago (you know, when people were getting bored of the PL "top 4" before us and Spurs made things fun again), and everybody knows where we stand.

In the time it takes for the bickering to stop, we might just be the club that profits the most from such a rule.

Although everything I've just written could be bollocks. It's known to happen...
 
taconinja said:
bluebannana said:
the league needs a salary cap. The teams at the bottom have no chance of competing unless they are bought by a billionare
Salary caps don't work unless you have salary minimums as well. Period.

Not only that but you can't put a ceiling on image rights and personal sponsorship. So the teams in the Champions League and with teh greatest TV exposure will still attract the best players even if the basic salary is capped.
 

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