President Joe Biden

[pudge]

This is just factually incorrect as the decision was on Hillary vs Trump, which meant it was impossible to excuse the current administration.

It’s also not the case generally speaking and morally blackmailing people into voting your way isn’t democratic.

There's no moral blackmailing.

Do you think a third party candidate will win? I'll say no, they won't.

So a vote not for the two major candidates is a vote taken away from potentially electing a new President.

So whether you support the current President or not a vote for a third party is indirectly a vote for maintaining the status quo. Be that via a second term for the individual or the majority party etc. That's just how it works out, it takes a vote away at this moment in time.

The perceived benefit of two fingers up to the current system by voting third party is so wildly outweighed by the damage another four years of this administration could deliver to not only America but worldwide.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

Several times on this thread I’ve been told and proven that it was incorrect, that my opinion is due to lack of knowledge, because I dared criticise the Democrats.

You don’t know Clinton if you’re just going to downplay her past like that.

They’re both arseholes beyond belief and neither would ever get my vote.

If everyone had the same attitude then an independent would finally get in.

After Obama, the last thing the USA needed was an independent, with little or no clout in the House or Senate. The last 4years of a weak Obama Administration was bad enough.

Voting in Clinton with a strong mandate to govern would have paved the way for a stronger progressive/reform candidate this time round.

Now that is going to take at least another 4 years, all because people sulked last time. Just because their preferred candidate wasn't on the ticket, they either sacked it off or voted indy.

Hopefully they've learned their lesson.

 

[Ban-jani]

There's no moral blackmailing.

Do you think a third party candidate will win? I'll say no, they won't.

So a vote not for the two major candidates is a vote taken away from potentially electing a new President.

So whether you support the current President or not a vote for a third party is indirectly a vote for maintaining the status quo. Be that via a second term for the individual or the majority party etc. That's just how it works out, it takes a vote away at this moment in time.

The perceived benefit of two fingers up to the current system by voting third party is so wildly outweighed by the damage another four years of this administration could deliver to not only America but worldwide.

It’s none of your business who other people vote for though, let them vote for the candidate they wish to.

Back when the West had morals it was incredibly rude to discuss who you voted for.

Hillary was the status quo and Trump the outsider in 2016.

I may be old fashioned but I look at the manifestos of the parties here in Britain, I choose which I like the best, which politics are best for the country at that moment and who’s most capable to lead and I vote for them. I don’t particularly think about who anyone else is voting for as I’m responsible for me vote.

If I was American, there’s not a catting hell’s chance I’d lend my vote to a woman that was happy to see 250,000 people die in the Balkans, just so she looked good with her new shiny health care plan.

I refuse to do that just because Trump is a massive ****.

Let’s also not pretend Hillary would have been fine and dandy on the world stage either, there were real concerns about her starting wars and destabilising regions too.

 

[Ban-jani]

After Obama, the last thing the USA needed was an independent, with little or no clout in the House or Senate. The last 4years of a weak Obama Administration was bad enough.

Voting in Clinton with a strong mandate to govern would have paved the way for a stronger progressive/reform candidate this time round.

Now that is going to take at least another 4 years, all because people sulked last time. Just because their preferred candidate wasn't on the ticket, they either sacked it off or voted indy.

Hopefully they've learned their lesson.

They have every right to vote for whoever they want.

What is it with the amount of people who are liberals or leftists telling people how they should vote?

You keep losing elections because of this attitude, stop it.

 

[pudge]

It’s none of your business who other people vote for though, let them vote for the candidate they wish to.

Back when the West had morals it was incredibly rude to discuss who you voted for.

Hillary was the status quo and Trump the outsider in 2016.

I may be old fashioned but I look at the manifestos of the parties here in Britain, I choose which I like the best, which politics are best for the country at that moment and who’s most capable to lead and I vote for them. I don’t particularly think about who anyone else is voting for as I’m responsible for me vote.

If I was American, there’s not a catting hell’s chance I’d lend my vote to a woman that was happy to see 250,000 people die in the Balkans, just so she looked good with her new shiny health care plan.

I refuse to do that just because Trump is a massive ****.

Let’s also not pretend Hillary would have been fine and dandy on the world stage either, there were real concerns about her starting wars and destabilising regions too.

A person can vote or not vote for whoever they like, I'm not going to waterboard them into voting one way or the other.

I can, however, point out the result of whatever that decision may be.

 

[Ban-jani]

A person can vote or not vote for whoever they like, I'm not going to waterboard them into voting one way or the other.

I can, however, point out the result of whatever that decision may be.

Maybe it’s possible someone would not want either option equally, for different reasons.

 

[pudge]

Maybe it’s possible someone would not want either option equally, for different reasons.

That's fine.

But again, and this isn't solely towards Trump but whoever the current president may be at any point going for a second term, a vote for a third party is indirectly a vote for them.

That's just the current situation with regards to the likelihood of a third party candidate winning.

Does the benefit of voting third party outweigh the benefit of a new administration?

 

[Ban-jani]

That's fine.

But again, and this isn't solely towards Trump but whoever the current president may be at any point going for a second term, a vote for a third party is indirectly a vote for them.

That's just the current situation with regards to the likelihood of a third party candidate winning.

Does the benefit of voting third party outweigh the benefit of a new administration?

Well I was asked on Hillary vs Trump so it’s not applicable now.

I don’t think Biden is a good candidate but I’d vote for him over Trump.

Biden is the favourite so a vote for anyone but Trump is likely helpful to Biden.

 

[west didsblue]

Maybe it’s possible someone would not want either option equally, for different reasons.

With everything we now know about Trump, no reasonable person would do anything other than vote for the candidate most likely to beat Trump, irrespective of their faults.

 

[Ban-jani]

With everything we now know about Trump, no reasonable person would do anything other than vote for the candidate most likely to beat Trump, irrespective of their faults.

I’d agree for anyone other than Hillary.