President Joe Biden

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Reading responses from what we can only hope was a pissed @penguins4kompany is one of the true joys of the forum.

Yo, where's the "joy" part?

 

[SebastianBlue]

Yo, where's the "joy" part?

It’s in the inadvertent one-man Laurel and Hardy skit.

I have to make joy where I can these days. ;-)

 

[AliBobbyJ]

I just feel there's a lack of nuance when it comes to trump. Look, I'm not a fan but I can see that he has tried to do good for the country as trite as that may sound, it seems he is going down the right avenues if you will.

As my old grandad would have said "Ee bah gum." And shook his head.

 

[yankblue]

This is the Biden thread to be fair. You may want to check the Trump thread for accurate portrayals of him.

However, just how would you like the serial liar and sex offender to be represented?

Don't be so kind to him - he's also a tax dodging, money laundering, racist pedophile with dozens of failed businesses and ties to the russian mob since the 80's. Oh, and he's banned from starting a charity, because the last one he was involved with he used to steal millions from . It was a children's fucking cancer charity.

But yeah very misrepresented!

 

[AliBobbyJ]

Don't be so kind to him - he's also a tax dodging, money laundering, racist pedophile with dozens of failed businesses and ties to the russian mob since the 80's. Oh, and he's banned from starting a charity, because the last one he was involved with he used to steal millions from . It was a children's fucking cancer charity.

But yeah very misrepresented!

Be fair, now. You missed out "woman groper/rapist."

 

[hgblue]

Be fair, now. You missed out "woman groper/rapist."

This is the Biden thread after all ;)

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

This is the Biden thread after all ;)

Yes, yes . . . in other fresh takes, that Tom Maley is some manager, eh? :)

 

[Bigga]

That was my point, mate: trends are where we actually derive insight and this is too limited to discern anything of real value. I was just being fair to Bigga’s intention with his post.

Though, I was referring to the 10 day national polling gap trend which, going off anti- or neutral-Biden surveys (just to be above reproach for the purposes of this specific discussion) had sloped slightly downward. And Trumpers were running with that, as they usually do.

But I also pointed out, for the sake of our specific discussion, that BIPOC voters are historically underrepresented in national polling, so it’s not a trend that would be especially helpful for arguing for or against Harris having “Black support” or how her selection would or would not shift the polling.

I am also not convinced the objective poll national aggregate point gap will ultimately tighten that much.

But that’s also completely separate from the ultimate vote pct gap. Biden could go in to Election month (we’ll be lucky if it only takes four weeks this cycle) with a 10 point lead and still lose, and badly if Trump is successful in his current efforts.

I know I sound like a broken record in that regard, but I do think it is very important to remind everyone that many of these discussions are mostly academic when one candidate has no intention of playing by the rules (or abiding law) and largely has control over many of the mechanisms of the election process itself (for this cycle specifically, given what is likely to come in the pandemic in October/November due to Trump and co’s at times intentional mismanagement).

Can I just say, regarding your last points on whether #45 would "play by the rules" in this cycle. It seems for US politics, there are no real rules when it comes to getting the upper hand come the election season. This is noted with gerrymandering and the constant closure of voting booths to suit the needs of a State/ Governor.

Now, I'm not saying that the Dems are guilty of this, but they do take advantage of such situations AND, seemingly, are not bothered to make these things illegal when in power.

#45, it seems to me, is really just taking advantage of 'gentlemen's agreements' as they are not law, just observed culture over the years. If it's not made law, tradition can be circumvented.

The revealing of tax returns is a perfect case in point.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Can I just say, regarding your last points on whether #45 would "play by the rules" in this cycle. It seems for US politics, there are no real rules when it comes to getting the upper hand come the election season. This is noted with gerrymandering and the constant closure of voting booths to suit the needs of a State/ Governor.

Now, I'm not saying that the Dems are guilty of this, but they do take advantage of such situations AND, seemingly, are not bothered to make these things illegal when in power.

#45, it seems to me, is really just taking advantage of 'gentlemen's agreements' as they are not law, just observed culture over the years. If it's not made law, tradition can be circumvented.

The revealing of tax returns is a perfect case in point.

There are rules (laws and checks to authority), many he is actively ignoring or attempting to abolish, but much of what actually matters is based mostly on political norms. So much that should be codified isn’t.

And I have spoken at length of the extreme dangers (and now realised existential threats) of basing so much of a system of governance on political norms as ours (which is nearly as bad, just in different ways) and the American systems do.

Politicians, of all creeds, in every nation on Earth, bending or pushing political and cultural norms to their limits is nothing new.

What sets #45 apart is that he isn’t just bending or pushing them. He’s destroying them, ignoring them, or defining new (dangerous) ones entirely, in ways blatantly opposed to even the ideal of a democratic republic (and often to laws/systems meant to support those norms), without the same consequences imposed on those in the past that attempted even a fraction of he has already done.

And we still have three months to Election Day and another two months after that which will, no matter the outcome, very likely be a shambles (if not longer, depending on how successful his camp is with their efforts to subvert the election).

That’s been his modus operandi from the beginning, and one that helped him gain support of those that are perfectly happy to act against their and society’s interests if it means seeing others suffer as they feel they have/are and those that see an opportunity to gain more power and wealth than they already hold at the expense of the well-being of masses of other people.

He is an authoritarian and so sees absolute power as his absolute right, and any check on that power, whether law or political/cultural norm, is an affront to that right. Restraint and consequence is for other, lesser people.

This extreme flouting of political and cultural norms is not something Biden and the Democrats, as of yet, can really be accused of, aside from truly Goebbels-level projection from Trump and his surrogates.

But, again, we are veering in to Trump thread territory.

 

[Bigga]

Been listening to a Progressive show and there's not a lot of love for Harris. People saying how much she targeted Black men for prison as AG and many not voting except for down ballot voting.

She's seen as a female Biden, so what's the point in voting? is the sentiment. She may get the Black female vote, but she'll lose the Black male vote, it seems.

Some of the sentiments online about her:



The 'vote any Blue' mob will love her cos she goes up against the terrible Pence but, really, who couldn't tear him a new arsehole...?