President Joe Biden

[Dax777]

And with that, I again disengage with you, @Dax777.

Anyone that thinks that it is nonsense that Trump and his camp are attempting to use his presidential powers and authority to unduly influence, if not subvert, the presidential election, despite the daily mounting evidence supporting such an assessment (shared by many, many more learned souls than I), isn’t available for a good faith discussion.

What daily mounting evidence. Please provide examples. You've been on this 'he is trying to steal the election' bit for a minute. Some evidence will be helpful.

 

[SebastianBlue]

What daily mounting evidence. Please provide examples. You've been on this 'he is trying to steal the election' bit for a minute. Some evidence will be helpful.

I have disengaged but I will remind you this is the Biden thread and you can find plenty of evidence in the Trump thread (or by, you know, reading anything other than QAnon newsletters).

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Good speech from him and his running mate tonite

As someone else wrote, "They sounded like, you know, normal human beings. Which shouldn't matter nor be surprising, but actually comes as a near-miraculous and welcome relief."

 

[Dax777]

Anyway on a side note, @

A poll of leadership AFTER her selection being pointless makes no sense in the context of the discussion we were having. It is the point, just like any poll. What is now the sentiment of Black leaders is most important for assessment of current “Black support”, with what was the sentiment less important.

And of course they are guarding their self-interest. That is blatantly obvious and also completely separate from whether Biden/Harris have their support, which was the crux of the discussion. I thought those two things being separate from one another would be self evident.

So — and forgive me for the pun — you have no point there.

Otherwise you seem to have spent quite a lot of time and effort simply agreeing with me that she likely has “Black support”, only offering sweeping alternative (and unsourced) assessments of what “excites most Black people”, which is again separate from the conversation Bigga and I were having about “Black support” *and* the point that I made.

Or were you arguing against a point I wasn’t making?

In which case your post was... pointless?

I thought you all were discussing the support of black people and not sell interested black leaders. But now that I know that you were using the support of the self interested as a placeholder, go on then.

 

[kaz7]

As someone else wrote, "They sounded like, you know, normal human beings. Which shouldn't matter nor be surprising, but actually comes as a near-miraculous and welcome relief."

Ha I was thinking the same,trump is saying she said horrible things to biden,nasty things but he picks her,he is scared so she will do for me,biden I have always liked

 

[Dax777]

I have disengaged but I will remind you this is the Biden thread and you can find plenty of evidence in the Trump thread (or by, you know, reading anything other than QAnon newsletters).

Good point. Let's keep the craziness on the loony thread.

 

[Dax777]

@Bigga by the record, Harris is in fact one of the most progressive Senators. She doesn't wear it like a badge of honor like Bernie and Warren. Even though she has a more progressive record as a Senator than Warren.

She is a very good Politician. And is smart enough to always position herself as strategically as can an pay attention to the winds. In California when she needed to be, she was an anti crime AG. And she shut shit down. As a Senator she has been a low key progressive who doesn't want to lose her Centrist cred.

So something for you and the comrades to be excited about :)

 

[Bigga]

A selection of leaders tweets AFTER she has been nominated is pointless. Any leader with any common sense had best be positive once the nomination had happened. Frankly any tweet by them is less about Kamala and more about them safeguarding their own interest. I'd have thought that would be self evident.

Kamala Harris doesn't excite black people. That doesn't mean black folks won't vote for a ticket she is on. Most black folks vote Democratic Party anyway. So they'll continue to.

I don't know what black people you are talking to, but in so far as they are aware of who she is politically, most black people are lukewarm at best about her. Biden is probably more popular amongst black people than Kamala is.

Her record of threatening to jail poor black parents for truancy by their kids doesn't sit well.with any black group. Probably shouldn't sit well with anyone.

One can forgive her though, as her heart was in the right place. She was simply trying to get black kids to take the opportunity of education and the doors it opens. "But using the ignorance of poor folks against them is kinda ratchet."
That's a direct quote from a NY rep I know. And it's not uncommon.

But her policy to block nonviolent offenders from parole in order to use them as cheap labor for California is just beyond the pail. And the kinda stuff Democrats would have to spend the whole fall blurring to the best of their abilities. Good thing bthe media is behind the Dems...

All that said, I think she's an Ok choice. The people that don't like her will often still vote Democrats anyway. And the Woke-ish suburban soccer mom's would find her an acceptable enough representation of their dreams and support In droves.

You know she is a smorgasbord of Identity excellence. Immigrant child, Black, Indian, Woman, Feminist. Multi-Diversical! I mean what's not to like....


I'll save that for another post.

I agree with half your post, so I can't really give you the 'like' I could have. I don't agree she's an "ok choice". She flip flops positions too easily depending on what's acceptable to her donors.

Her failure to charge Mnuchin, to charge a crime scene lab for getting rid of evidence and for keeping an innocent man on Death row defying a judge's orders speaks huge volumes for me about her character.

She's left leaning in name only as she wants to be seen as a 'tough' Democrat.

 

[Bigga]

@Bigga by the record, Harris is in fact one of the most progressive Senators. She doesn't wear it like a badge of honor like Bernie and Warren. Even though she has a more progressive record as a Senator than Warren.

She is a very good Politician. And is smart enough to always position herself as strategically as can an pay attention to the winds. In California when she needed to be, she was an anti crime AG. And she shut shit down. As a Senator she has been a low key progressive who doesn't want to lose her Centrist cred.

So something for you and the comrades to be excited about :)

Nah, she votes to keep funding republican shit, but she'll vote for 'progressive' stuff she knows won't get through. She's smart in that sense to make it look like she's 'progressive' but her actual record doesn't show this.

Ask yourself, if she was truly progressive, why did she backtrack on M4A?

That's the ONE thing that would get progressives onside.

 

[Dax777]

I agree with half your post, so I can't really give you the 'like' I could have. I don't agree she's an "ok choice". She flip flops positions too easily depending on what's acceptable to her donors.

Her failure to charge Mnuchin, to charge a crime scene lab for getting rid of evidence and for keeping an innocent man on Death row defying a judge's orders speaks huge volumes for me about her character.

She's left leaning in name only as she wants to be seen as a 'tough' Democrat.

Yes, she is politcally savvy. That's why she's an Ok choice. In the end, politically savvy people win. Not good or bad politicians. Savvy one's do.

She is very liberal on many issues. But she'll she'd anything for her survival. So I understand if you find that unacceptable. But savvy Politicians do this.