President Joe Biden

[Bigga]

Incremental change (from all parties) has always been seen as a top down strategy. That's just a fact; history, and it's not worth moaning about.

2020 is about voting out REGRESSION.

The way to implement change is to redress the political funding issues across the board, and then allow the new blood to trickle in and back-fill the void left by the old guard. Bottom-up politics.

REAL PROGRESSION.

A forced issue by the people in 2019/20, not recognised by the ones in power, who are actively trying to hold back people choices. Well, in the Dem party.

This is why there's been a WAVE of progressive politicians breaking through. Forced, NOT incrementalism! People want policies that protect them, not big business.

I'm not sure you know the differences with 'incrementalism' progression, but I'll be glad to hear you on it.

Political funding is an entirely different animal that further keeps neolibs entrenched.

 

[Bigga]

I think someone wrote about the 'Violence Against Women Act' which is surely to be celebrated, but also has to be noted it was part and parcel of Biden's Crime Bill of 1994 (psst! this is the one where the measures incarcerated more Black men and poor people as a result, but let's gloss over that for now).

So, yes with one hand giveth and other hand taketh away...

 

[SWP's back]

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I don't care how old Biden is. I don't care what his track record it. I don't even really care about his policies.

The only thing that matters, for the future of the most powerful country in the world, and correspondingly to the whole world itself, is that Trump is not re-elected. I'm not sure we can go another four years without a major international conflict and this piece of shit will have the world in ashes.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't care how old Biden is. I don't care what his track record it. I don't even really care about his policies.

The only thing that matters, for the future of the most powerful country in the world, and correspondingly to the whole world itself, is that Trump is not re-elected. I'm not sure we can go another four years without a major international conflict and this piece of shit will have the world in ashes.

Absolutely right.
Even if there isn't a major conflict, Trump is turning the USA into a failed state that is likely to implode if he wins, leaving China economically and Russia militarily to take its place as the pre-eminent superpowers which will be disastrous for the world.
In the meantime we're doing our best to weaken the only other economic superpower in the world.
If Biden does nothing other than stabilise the USA and rebuild some trust with its allies then that is infinitely better than the alternative.

 

[Bigga]

I don't care how old Biden is. I don't care what his track record it. I don't even really care about his policies.

The only thing that matters, for the future of the most powerful country in the world, and correspondingly to the whole world itself, is that Trump is not re-elected. I'm not sure we can go another four years without a major international conflict and this piece of shit will have the world in ashes.

I get that position and I concur.

What I don't get are the clowns touting Biden as 'the real deal'.

He's not.

Not now and never was.

 

[Trevor Morley's Tache]

I get that position and I concur.

What I don't get are the clowns touting Biden as 'the real deal'.

He's not.

Not now and never was.

It's all relative.

Compare Trump and Biden, and Biden is the real deal. He has a lifetime of experience in politics, and a proven track record in international diplomacy. Trump is the polar opposite.

 

[west didsblue]

I get that position and I concur.

What I don't get are the clowns touting Biden as 'the real deal'.

He's not.

Not now and never was.

What you don't get is that it doesn't matter whether he's the real deal or not. He's not Trump and he has a chance of preventing the USA falling into the abyss. Anything else can be discussed later.

 

[Bigga]

It's all relative.

Compare Trump and Biden, and Biden is the real deal. He has a lifetime of experience in politics, and a proven track record in international diplomacy. Trump is the polar opposite.

Your assessment makes him sound like Obama and he was seen as 'the real deal'.

History begs to differ.

What you don't get is that it doesn't matter whether he's the real deal or not. He's not Trump and he has a chance of preventing the USA falling into the abyss. Anything else can be discussed later.

Two separate arguments.

 

[west didsblue]

Your assessment makes him sound like Obama and he was seen as 'the real deal'.

History begs to differ.



Two separate arguments.

You're worried about how the deckchairs are laid out on the Titanic while the ship is sinking.